Hinge action help

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I was hoping someone could provide some more clarity (in laymans terms) to the different types of hinge actions:
closed:
laid back:
closed and laid back:
In particular, I am having a hard time understanding "laidback" and what this looks like. I assume (correct me if I am wrong please) that closed is just a closed or closing clubface thru the ball.
Thanks!
 
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6bee1dee

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Layback is like opening the whole blade, not just the toe. If hooding is turning the top line of the clubhead toward the target, then lay back is moving the topline away from the target. You only layback the clubhead with verticle hinging.

Hooding is not closed, Hooding delofts the club head and is never used except with a putter.

Closed is pointing the toe of the club to the left of perpenticular of the target line. It can be used alone or with layback.

These are clubface alignments for the clubhead through Impact. 2-G in Homer.
An open clubface, I believe, is an address or impact fix adjustment only and when used with a horizontal hinge, draws the ball.


"Hmm, open clubface sandwedge." .. The other Homer, Homer S.
 
bcoak

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quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

Layback is like opening the whole blade, not just the toe. If hooding is turning the top line of the clubhead toward the target, then lay back is moving the topline away from the target. You only layback the clubhead with verticle hinging.

Hooding is not closed, Hooding delofts the club head and is never used except with a putter.

Closed is pointing the toe of the club to the left of perpenticular of the target line. It can be used alone or with layback.

These are clubface alignments for the clubhead through Impact. 2-G in Homer.
An open clubface, I believe, is an address or impact fix adjustment only and when used with a horizontal hinge, draws the ball.


"Hmm, open clubface sandwedge." .. The other Homer, Homer S.
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Thanks. However, I still do not get how you can close and layback at the same time.
 
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6bee1dee

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quote:Originally posted by bcoak

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

Layback is like opening the whole blade, not just the toe. If hooding is turning the top line of the clubhead toward the target, then lay back is moving the topline away from the target. You only layback the clubhead with verticle hinging.

Hooding is not closed, Hooding delofts the club head and is never used except with a putter.

Closed is pointing the toe of the club to the left of perpenticular of the target line. It can be used alone or with layback.

These are clubface alignments for the clubhead through Impact. 2-G in Homer.
An open clubface, I believe, is an address or impact fix adjustment only and when used with a horizontal hinge, draws the ball.


"Hmm, open clubface sandwedge." .. The other Homer, Homer S.
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Thanks. However, I still do not get how you can close and layback at the same time.
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Layback is good for wedges, short irons. Close the toe slightly on a pitching wedge. Now without turning the club, move the top line away from the ball. A tilt

more info:

http://www.southerngolf.com/0502-may/stik0502.htm

and this :

http://www.southerngolf.com/1202-dec/stik1202.htm
 
bcoak

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that is the article that got me confused. wish Yoda would finish the hinge assembly lesson
 
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pixie

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I don't believe that Yoda will be able to offer anything new on hinging.
Nothing that Brian doesn't already know. Nothing that's not already in those Tom Stickney articles.
 
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cdog

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If what we want is an uncompensated stroke, then why worry about hinging as it will take care of itself?
If I cant make an uncompensated stroke, then how can i use hinging correctly to accomplish the ball flight i want??
It's a catch 22, if a person cant even swing on plane, have a bent /flat wrist combination, how can anyone expect them to alter ball flight with different wrist actions???
 
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6bee1dee

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quote:Originally posted by cdog

If what we want is an uncompensated stroke, then why worry about hinging as it will take care of itself?
If I cant make an uncompensated stroke, then how can i use hinging correctly to accomplish the ball flight i want??
It's a catch 22, if a person cant even swing on plane, have a bent /flat wrist combination, how can anyone expect them to alter ball flight with different wrist actions???
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Bcoak, plane and left wrist are two of the three Imperatives. Go to 12-5-1 and work out the basic motion then 12-1-0 and/or 12-2-0. You need to be on plane and keep a flat left wrist before any thing else works correctly. If you re-read all the hinge posts by yoda and do 12-5-1 it will all fall in place. Nothing like holding a club with the left hand and working it out.
 
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Layback (vertical hinge): clockwise rotation of the forearms (for right-handers), which gets the right hand underneath the left and opens up the clubface toward the sky. I use it for putting, lob shot or green-side bunker shots (scoop).

Close (horizontal hinge): counter-clockwise rotation of hte forearms, which gets the right hand over the left and turns the toe of the clubface around the hosel toward the inside. It's for straight or right-to-left spin (draw or hook) shots, depending on the degree of closing during impact. It generally promotes more efficient impact for straight and draw shots and lower launching angle of the ball flight.

The hands themself really can do very little. Even merely holding on to the club demands largely the effort of muscles and tendons in the forearms.
 
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pixie

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Somebody posted posts from Stickney, who wrote a little about Hinge action. I'm not sure how related this is to it, but in one of his articles, he also talked about the "position" after the followthrough when the clubshaft was again parallel to the ground. He said that it should be in the middle of the foot(between the heel and the toes), and not over the toe line, because this will allow you to make an aggressive pivot through the ball.
Brian, do you like to see the same thing? When my clubshaft is parallel again after followthrough, I am usually over the toe-line when I try to Swing.
 
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quote:Originally posted by brianman

ask me a question about actually USING hinge action...
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REPLY BY BRIAN MANZELLA</u>
Executing horizontal hinging for a swinger is easier when the "flying wedges" are pivoted through impact? Is this the "getting the drunk off you back concept"?

The drunk-off-your-back concept is cenTRIPital force. This force SHOULD create TRUE THROWOUT ACTION and automatically also HORIZONTAL Hinge action.

...the key word is SHOULD...
 
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Brian Manzella

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quote:Originally posted by cdog

If what we want is an uncompensated stroke, then why worry about hinging as it will take care of itself?
If I cant make an uncompensated stroke, then how can i use hinging correctly to accomplish the ball flight i want??
It's a catch 22, if a person cant even swing on plane, have a bent /flat wrist combination, how can anyone expect them to alter ball flight with different wrist actions???
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That is the SECRET to teaching golf!

Fix the club FACE (Hinge Action) and you can fix the other two imperatives and the pivot.
 
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Brian Manzella

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quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

quote:Originally posted by cdog

If what we want is an uncompensated stroke, then why worry about hinging as it will take care of itself?
If I cant make an uncompensated stroke, then how can i use hinging correctly to accomplish the ball flight i want??
It's a catch 22, if a person cant even swing on plane, have a bent /flat wrist combination, how can anyone expect them to alter ball flight with different wrist actions???
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Bcoak, plane and left wrist are two of the three Imperatives. Go to 12-5-1 and work out the basic motion then 12-1-0 and/or 12-2-0. You need to be on plane and keep a flat left wrist before any thing else works correctly. If you re-read all the hinge posts by yoda and do 12-5-1 it will all fall in place. Nothing like holding a club with the left hand and working it out.
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If anyone thinks that 12-5-1 and 12-1-0/12-2-0 are a SHORTCUT from hacker to player they haven't given many lessons. This route WOULD be a good one for a beginner, but a long route for a hacker.
 
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Brian Manzella

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quote:Originally posted by pixie

Somebody posted posts from Stickney, who wrote a little about Hinge action. I'm not sure how related this is to it, but in one of his articles, he also talked about the "position" after the followthrough when the clubshaft was again parallel to the ground. He said that it should be in the middle of the foot(between the heel and the toes), and not over the toe line, because this will allow you to make an aggressive pivot through the ball.
Brian, do you like to see the same thing? When my clubshaft is parallel again after followthrough, I am usually over the toe-line when I try to Swing.
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Ideally, all of this is taken care of by staying on ONE PLANE from release point to the swivel.
 
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Brian Manzella

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quote:Originally posted by bcoak

quote:Originally posted by brianman

ask me a question about actually USING hinge action...
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OK, How do you/can you use these hinging actions?
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What a question!

Well, try this:
INSIDE-OUT cut shot with VERTICAL HINGE ACTION (Hit the inside-aft quadrant and cut it as MUCH as you can.

INSIDE-OUT cut shot with ANGLED hinge action (Hit the inside-aft quadrant, and cut it SOME.

INSIDE-OUT STRAIGHT BALL with Horizontal hinge action (Hit the inside-aft quadrant, then FULL ROLL)
 
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