Hinging question

[revert]

I understand the 3 hinging actions but have a question or two. With vertical hinging how horizontal should the back of the left hand be in relation to the ground with the arms straight and downline? Not completely level right? I can really feel mine is somewhere around 20 to 30 degrees from horizontal.

One more qusetion. If horizontal hinging with arms straight again and downline and back of left hand is 90 degrees to the ground, angled would be somwehere around 45 right? So is the key to trajectory controlling this and all the angles in between? If i hit a sand wedge using vertical hinging and the back of the left hand is 20 degrees to the ground, i may hit it 70 yards high, if the angle is 30 degrees, it may only go 60 yards high.

Am thinking right here or completely wrong?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

please go to www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum and check out the 3-D animated hinge .wav file. Should clear up almost everything

As to the hinges:

horizontal closes and hoods, so you tend to deloft the clubface and hit the ball very straight

angled hinging closes and LAYSBACK simultaneously due to the straightening of the hitting right arm. So unless you adjust your setup or ball position that you used for horizontal hinging the ball will go higher (due to the lay back) and more to the right because it doesn't close as much.

Vertical hinging doesn't close and stays square to the plane i believe if that makes sense. So you end up using the true loft of the club and after impact the face stays square to the plane but will go higher and even more to the right cuz there is no closing at all.

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For a complete clear picture, buy Brian's short video on hinging as it clears up everything perfect or look at the .wav file on lynn's site.

 

[revert]

I already understood the hinging but can there be variance inbetween the 3 hinge types?

 

[rwh]

quote:Originally posted by revert

I understand the 3 hinging actions but have a question or two. With vertical hinging how horizontal should the back of the left hand be in relation to the ground with the arms straight and downline? Not completely level right? I can really feel mine is somewhere around 20 to 30 degrees from horizontal.

One more qusetion. If horizontal hinging with arms straight again and downline and back of left hand is 90 degrees to the ground, angled would be somwehere around 45 right? So is the key to trajectory controlling this and all the angles in between? If i hit a sand wedge using vertical hinging and the back of the left hand is 20 degrees to the ground, i may hit it 70 yards high, if the angle is 30 degrees, it may only go 60 yards high.

Am thinking right here or completely wrong?

You've got the idea. Hinging is defined by what the Clubface is doing through the Impact Interval and, although, there is a correlation between what the Clubface is doing and what your Left Hand is doing, it is difficult to make universal statements about precise Hand position without knowing how you take your grip.

As a general statement, the "Wrist Line" (where the Palm and the Forearm join) will be more pependicular to the ground (horizontal plane) for horizontal hinging; more pependicular to a wall (vertical plane) for vertical hinging; and, somewhere in between for angled hinging. The bottom line is that you've figured that the Left Hand = the Clubface and that means you're on your way to becoming a Golfing Machine!

 

[Vaako]

quote:Originally posted by revert

I already understood the hinging but can there be variance inbetween the 3 hinge types?

Not really - horizontal and vertical are the endpoints of this continuum and anything in between is angled. Offhand I think this is how Tomasello said in the vid #4? on Lynn Blake's.

You can produce different "versions" of angled hinging by changing the plane angle.

EDIT: Ok, using a word "versions" sucks. Just swing a club along elbow plane and turned shoulder plane using angled hinging and you get the drift.


Vaako

 

[revert]

ok, so angled can have some variations, thanks.

 

[Vaako]

quote:Originally posted by revert

ok, so angled can have some variations, thanks.

You need to be a little carefull here. The angled hinging keeps the clubface square to inclined plane. By changing the angle of the inclined plane you can produce "variations", that look visually different against the ground. Yet, these are all angled hinges on their particular inclined planes.

If what you were originally really asking was something along the lines of "is it possible to use elbow plane and have several versions angled hinging on it" then the answer would no.

Hence, if you use the elbow plane and close the clubhead faster then the corresponding angled hinge - but not as fast as in using horizontal hinge - you would end up between angled and horizontal hinges. Technically, AFAIK, this would be a hand manipulation in TGM.

Like in taking the angled hinging from turned shoulder plane and applying it to elbow plane, but then you would lose the reference offered by the plane. And any help this reference gives with things like timing and machine setup.

I think this is the prodedure some pros use subconciously to hit draws and fades that stay under control?

You really want to get to bottom of this, I suggest you take it up with Brian or Yoda.


Vaako

P.S. I was probably trying to be too smart guessing what you are after in the first post. [B)]

 

[revert]

Thanks Vaako. I need to learn more it's true. I haven't even purchased the book yet. I went to the TGM site the other day there to purchase the book and the website had been hacked. Since it's been back online, i've been a little dubious about using a credit card on the site.