hip firing articles--please comment

[theodoreandon]

Quick Question

mb6606,

Is increasing the effective mass with a golf swing the real deal ? Knocking down well established mechanism of kinetic chain action is that the real deal ? Dealing with premium golfers, e.g., Leadbetter,......is that a guarantee for being the real deal ? Do you believe that BM is on the wrong track, considering his signature?

I feel like in my golf swing my lower body is too fast - my upper body is way behind and I either flip it (duck hook) or hold off (dead push). I need help in correcting this. To just get through I have been aiming down the right side, thinking hook and hitting it as hard as I can - at least I get it in play (50% of the time) and it is long. By the way I can absolutely flush a driver off the ground - no issues there at all. As a matter of fact sometimes I get so frustrated I just put the ball on a tall piece of turf on the tee and hit it - no tee.

I guess my point is that I am going to try that closed hip bump at the transition as this dude recommends in his articles. Wouldn't that possibly sync up my swing? Are you saying that this is faulty thinking? Is there a better way to "slow" down my lower body? Is it possible that I am dead wrong about being to fast with my lower body? Anyone?

 

[mb6606]

mb6606,

Is increasing the effective mass with a golf swing the real deal ? Knocking down well established mechanism of kinetic chain action is that the real deal ? Dealing with premium golfers, e.g., Leadbetter,......is that a guarantee for being the real deal ? Do you believe that BM is on the wrong track, considering his signature?

Mandrin
I have no idea what you are talking about - Kelvin is more an athletic trainer than golf expert. He is into power/speed training. What athlete would not want more power/speed?
He is training one of the top athletes in the world an athlete that epitomizes speed and power.

I have never had the chance to meet Brian - so I have no idea of the results of this teaching. I do respect Brians continuing quest for knowledge and his commitment to be the best instructor he can be.

"Well established", in the athletic world only means until the next superstar comes along and every junior copies his action/ability.

Leadbetter gets kicked around a lot but he did work with Faldo and Els as they got to the top. Maybe Wie is ready to turn it around? Perhaps modern power golf has passed his teaching? Perhaps his success was nothing but boosting a players confidence? Or maybe blind luck being in the right place at the right time? The fact is he is/was successful.

 

[self-mastery]

Jump and rotate my ____.

1)More like squat, right/left hand tries to harpoon the butt end of the club into the ground about 4 feet from my right heel (never forward, but down), squat, turn, finish.

2)For more power= squat a lil harder + harpoon a little faster.

3)For even more power and less accuracy= squat a lil harder + harpoon a little faster + brace(snap) into the left knee.

That's what I've been working on.

1) For precision (civic)

2) For Driver ( detuned sports car with a racing lineage)

3) Every once and awhile for kicks when my knee isn't sore. (High maintenance race car.)

 

[mandrin]

Mandrin

I have no idea what you are talking about.........

mb6606,

I thought it to be rather evident.

Read BM‘s signature. Read Miyahira’s articles.

Both take the kinetic chain action very seriously.

However for one a cornerstone for the other simply an error.

Miyahira, can teach anything he wants and be truly excellent at it,

but I like very much to also see a coherent discourse explaining it all.

 

[jmessner]

pieman,

Kelvin Miyahira, probably to make his ideas look brand new and exciting, seemingly feels obliged to knock down rather vigorously the kinetic chain action in a golf swing. However where he loses even more respect is when he invokes on several occasions that swinging his way one can add effective mass to the shot. This had been extensively discussed on this forum and shown to be simply a long standing tenacious myth. I am preparing some material just claiming the opposite of his ideas, re to kinetic segment action, actually demonstrating the validity of the kinetic chain action in the down swing. What is efficient just prior to impact is, not additional hip torque, but rather decreasing quickly the effective swing radius of the club. Raising briskly the COM of the golfer can be shown to be equivalent, eg., standing up, snapping knee(s) straight. Similarly swinging sharply lead shoulder inside is also not a bad idea. This is like Miyahira’s jump/rotation move. I have mentioned these ideas before

Yes, it would be very interesting to see what sort of body torque profile would be required to successfully accomplish the "double bump" in shoulder rotation velocity and achieve max velocity of same at impact which is claimed for MFT. With the second moment of the arm-club assembly increasing significantly during the release, I can imagine a huge jump in torque would be required to even maintain a constant rotational velocity of the shoulders or left arm.

Jay

 

[tourdeep]

Semantics?

The author of the article says that the Elkington's of the world, in Brian's words, do not have a dynamic swing. But by adding Snead's mysterious sit down move, some umpph can be added to the swing. Poor puppy...!

There are a lot of similarities, if not one and the same, with respect to this vertical movement and rotational motion as explained by the author of the article and Snead's mysterious sit down move as explained by Brian, pre Neo days,,, one of my favorite videos.

Take the perfect pivot and throw in a poor puppy, that dog may have to run a little farther to chase down the ball...








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[Guitar Hero]

Here is tour pro Tim Clark who is 5’7” 165 lbs. using (MFT) PGATOUR.com - SwingPlex - Home of Slow Motion Player Swings . Watch his down sing pivot and you will see the big time driving up into the left hip from the ground. Tim is right at the PGA tour average in driving distance at 281 yards.

Check out his stats at PGATOUR.com - Tim Clark's Official Profile Tim also starts his swing with his forearms close together (Must have read Hogan’s book) and you will see how this blocks his body back a bit on the back swing. It looks like weight moving a little left like the S&T move but watch his super steady head.

Tim also a very late left wrist cock. (Must have watched Jack growing up) It also looks like he is using Brian’s carry move a bit on the down swing. A swing that is not picture perfect but a scoring average of 68.9 and good enough to beat Tiger in match play.

 

[pecky987]

Here is tour pro Tim Clark who is 5’7” 165 lbs. using (MFT) PGATOUR.com - SwingPlex - Home of Slow Motion Player Swings . Watch his down sing pivot and you will see the big time driving up into the left hip from the ground. Tim is right at the PGA tour average in driving distance at 281 yards.

Check out his stats at PGATOUR.com - Tim Clark's Official Profile Tim also starts his swing with his forearms close together (Must have read Hogan’s book) and you will see how this blocks his body back a bit on the back swing. It looks like weight moving a little left like the S&T move but watch his super steady head.

Tim also a very late left wrist cock. (Must have watched Jack growing up) It also looks like he is using Brian’s carry move a bit on the down swing. A swing that is not picture perfect but a scoring average of 68.9 and good enough to beat Tiger in match play.

tim clark has something wrong with his arms and he cant turn his arms outwards, so his inner forearms must always face inwards. thats also why he grips his putter like he does

 

[vjsinger]

tim clark has something wrong with his arms and he cant turn his arms outwards, so his inner forearms must always face inwards. thats also why he grips his putter like he does

What do you mean he can't turn his arms outwards?? He can't relax them?? I don't get it, you're saying it is a medical condition? Im not trying to be a smart ass...just asking. Thanks.

 

[mandrin]

Cosmetic makeover

Golf is big business. And selling, one has to attract attention. Hence novel ideas are seemingly presented but a closer look often makes it clear that one has a cosmetic makeover of old ideas. Example - a ‘closed hip slide’ is very much like the ‘cross lateral move’ taught by old timer Joe Norwood.

 

[pecky987]

What do you mean he can't turn his arms outwards?? He can't relax them?? I don't get it, you're saying it is a medical condition? Im not trying to be a smart ass...just asking. Thanks.

yes its some kind of medical condition. im not entirely sure but his inner arms have to keep facing inwards. there was an article in golf digest about putting grips and they show clarks and he explains it there

 

[pecky987]

Grip it like the pros: Golf Digest Magazine

 

[welshdentist]

yes its some kind of medical condition. im not entirely sure but his inner arms have to keep facing inwards. there was an article in golf digest about putting grips and they show clarks and he explains it there

I know for some it's a postural thing, I certianly couldn't adopt anything other than my neandethal posture a year ago

 

[Notorious B.E.N.]

yes its some kind of medical condition. im not entirely sure but his inner arms have to keep facing inwards. there was an article in golf digest about putting grips and they show clarks and he explains it there

I know he has to have a special steering wheel for his car.

 

[johnpritch]

Isn't it strange the way things turn out - if pieman hadn't done that naughty thing of starting this thread, I wouldn't have read Kelvin Miyahara's article on the importance of lagging the sweet spot (although he didn't call it that), had a laugh at Matt F's posting of Charles Barkley's "MFT", or, MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY, seen Brian's "poor puppy" video posted by tourdeep, which has already helped me enormously! Huge thank you to all you guys - I thought you yanks were very big on free speech! Keep it up!

 

[niblick1]

That over-committing of the right leg thing is something i find hard to overcome. I use the ground, just less effectively than I should.

Good to see the poor puppy video again.