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Hitting off the right hip
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The proper hip motion isn't 'around' as much as it is diagonal. At the top of the backswing, you want to feel like you 'sit on your right cheek', which lets you fire your right side to the inside back corner. When folks try to 'turn' the hips to start the backswing or downswing, the club gets over plane instantly (rolls in and over going back, out and over going down)
The 'fire your right side' folks, like ballard, neglected to share the critical part - that everything comes from 'inside' to on, to 'inside', including the hip motion. Think 45,90,180 degree angles.
Think of drawing your right hip 'back', instead of 'turning' the left hip 'around' - fire it at the inside back corner. Most folks 'spin', and unless you are a hooker with lots of lag, you are over plane, with a seriously open club, and are forced to save the shot with the shoulders - instant slice
It ALL comes back to understanding the whip, understanding LAG and moving your body in a way that 'supports' the swinging 'whip' motion of the club, from the ground up.
Probably the best way to ensure you know the feeling of a firm left side (i.e. not too 'around' - which it seems you do) - is to do left hand only swings, as if you were throwing a frisbee with the left hand, and try to hit hooks out to right field that sweep back to center. Use a slightly strong lead hand grip for this drill, and focus on the left thumb, and its rotation ON plane. Once you understand the feel, I think you will understand the 'around' vs. diagonal hip motion.
You will also understand how easy it is for the right arm to extend through the shot, a new feeling for most because they have been coming 'over' for so long.
The 'fire your right side' folks, like ballard, neglected to share the critical part - that everything comes from 'inside' to on, to 'inside', including the hip motion. Think 45,90,180 degree angles.
Think of drawing your right hip 'back', instead of 'turning' the left hip 'around' - fire it at the inside back corner. Most folks 'spin', and unless you are a hooker with lots of lag, you are over plane, with a seriously open club, and are forced to save the shot with the shoulders - instant slice
It ALL comes back to understanding the whip, understanding LAG and moving your body in a way that 'supports' the swinging 'whip' motion of the club, from the ground up.
Probably the best way to ensure you know the feeling of a firm left side (i.e. not too 'around' - which it seems you do) - is to do left hand only swings, as if you were throwing a frisbee with the left hand, and try to hit hooks out to right field that sweep back to center. Use a slightly strong lead hand grip for this drill, and focus on the left thumb, and its rotation ON plane. Once you understand the feel, I think you will understand the 'around' vs. diagonal hip motion.
You will also understand how easy it is for the right arm to extend through the shot, a new feeling for most because they have been coming 'over' for so long.
This has make me confused for a long time. In Chuck's forum, it was mentioned that for 1) hitter, hip slide diagonally and for 2) swinging, hip slide parallel to the target line. That's I don't understand, at the tip your hip is say 45 degree to the target line, so how can you slide the hip parallel to the target line? Many instructors teach sliding diagonally without distinguish between hitter and swinger, is this correct too?
quote:Originally posted by tgmer
This has make me confused for a long time. In Chuck's forum, it was mentioned that for 1) hitter, hip slide diagonally and for 2) swinging, hip slide parallel to the target line. That's I don't understand, at the tip your hip is say 45 degree to the target line, so how can you slide the hip parallel to the target line? Many instructors teach sliding diagonally without distinguish between hitter and swinger, is this correct too?
I would really like an answer for this one as well. It is confusing.
I'll let Brian be the expert but here is my take...when Hitting, the initial hip slide is cross lateral (towards inside aft quandrant). This sets up the axis tilt. After the initial slide, the hips will turn and the feel of the hips could be turning them into the inside quadrant. In Swinging, the initial hip movement is parallel to the target line (setting up axis tilt), proceeded by the hip turn/right hip into the inside quadrant of the ball.
If Hitting, IMO, if the hips would slide parallel to the target line (as you should in swinging), you may be getting ready for the right elbow (for righties) right hip collision on the downswing.
Just remember, when using either the parallel or cross-lateral hip slide, it is a bump of a few inches which sets up the axis tilt. It is a lower body movement while the base of the spine is trying to remain stationary.
Hope this helps!
FL-John
If Hitting, IMO, if the hips would slide parallel to the target line (as you should in swinging), you may be getting ready for the right elbow (for righties) right hip collision on the downswing.
Just remember, when using either the parallel or cross-lateral hip slide, it is a bump of a few inches which sets up the axis tilt. It is a lower body movement while the base of the spine is trying to remain stationary.
Hope this helps!
FL-John
Brian Manzella
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It is really simple guys and girls....
...listen...
...in HITTING you want force in a straight line from the top through the inside-aft quadrant...sooooooooo the HIPS need to move in that direction from the top...ie CROSS-LINE
....in SWINGING you are PULLING the shaft lengthwise IN A CIRCLE....sooooooooooo you want the hips to return to on line so you can unwind for throw-out action (frisbeeeeeee!)
...listen...
...in HITTING you want force in a straight line from the top through the inside-aft quadrant...sooooooooo the HIPS need to move in that direction from the top...ie CROSS-LINE
....in SWINGING you are PULLING the shaft lengthwise IN A CIRCLE....sooooooooooo you want the hips to return to on line so you can unwind for throw-out action (frisbeeeeeee!)
Brian Manzella
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Maybe you were finding that you need weight on the right side (a bunch) for a really effective impact.
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