Homer's Master Class w/Gregg, Mike and Lynn

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Brian Manzella

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Gregg McHatton and Mike Holder are both VERY BRIGHT guys (in the same ballpark as Lynn), they were MUCH BETTER players then Lynn, and they both have given 1000's of hours more lessons since then.

Why did Lynn wind up with HIS PREFERENCES and these guys with their very dissimilar ones?

The stock answer from the dark side, would be that Lynn went with Homer's preferences, but, Gregg spent a lot of extra time with Homer and went UP a different road.

I really have my own opinion, but without a lie dectector test and a bright lamp, it is just a guess.

What is your guess?
 
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Brian, I find it indeed intriguing for an intelligent person such as Lynn to remain glued to every word and phrase as written, whereas nowadays almost everything is readily tossed around without any shyness about it.

I am sort of wondering if it has perhaps something to do with one’s basic believe system. TMG has a special make-up and atmosphere like that of a bible containing the only and eternal truth. This might perhaps attract those more readily attuned to those values.

I wonder about another related aspect. Don’t you agree that when you hear/read something you really want to believe, many, many times, it also tends to create its own tenacious reality superimposed on REALITY? :)
 
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Lots of things to consider.

Marketing. If everyone taught exactly the same way with the same preferences, etc., there is not much product differentiation, so harder to separate yourself from the pack.

Genuinely different beliefs as to what works best for golfers. Remember Gregg has done a lot of his own research too.
 
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Mandrin & Leo,

I agree with both posts, except that Leo, marketing had little to do with the route Gregg and Mike Holder went, was Gregg shuns the limelight and Mike was a college coach.

Marketing is a really good answer. ;)
 
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"We have no friends, we have no enemies, we have only TEACHERS"

There is something to learn from everyone.
 
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Ed, why is it that if someone questions anythink about Lynn or Homer, Lynn's followers change the subject.

This one is a SIMPLE qustion that I have thought about.

Why doesn't Gregg & Mike H. teach like Lynn?

Take a shot at it Ed, you're a smart guy.
 
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rundmc

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Brian Manzella said:
Ed, why is it that if someone questions anythink about Lynn or Homer, Lynn's followers change the subject.

This one is a SIMPLE qustion that I have thought about.

Why doesn't Gregg & Mike H. teach like Lynn?

Take a shot at it Ed, you're a smart guy.
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What do they teach?
 
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holenone

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Brian Manzella said:
Gregg McHatton and Mike Holder are both VERY BRIGHT guys (in the same ballpark as Lynn), they were MUCH BETTER players then Lynn, and they both have given 1000's of hours more lessons since then.

Why did Lynn wind up with HIS PREFERENCES and these guys with their very dissimilar ones?

The stock answer from the dark side, would be that Lynn went with Homer's preferences, but, Gregg spent a lot of extra time with Homer and went UP a different road.

I really have my own opinion, but without a lie dectector test and a bright lamp, it is just a guess.

What is your guess?
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Why, Brian?

Truly...

Why?
 
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holenone

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Brian Manzella said:
Gregg McHatton and Mike Holder are both VERY BRIGHT guys (in the same ballpark as Lynn), they were MUCH BETTER players then Lynn, and they both have given 1000's of hours more lessons since then.

Why did Lynn wind up with HIS PREFERENCES and these guys with their very dissimilar ones?

The stock answer from the dark side, would be that Lynn went with Homer's preferences, but, Gregg spent a lot of extra time with Homer and went UP a different road.

I really have my own opinion, but without a lie dectector test and a bright lamp, it is just a guess.

What is your guess?
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Why, Brian?

As the introductory thread to your new website...

Truly...

Why?
 
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Every good question requires a good answer.

Hello Lynn,

Well, you could tell us why YOU teach what you do (and you have, many times), but I have always wondered why Gregg and Mike went up not only a different route than you—but from each other.

Surely, I or almost anyone else, would have been influenced from that class. But the total devotion to a couple of Homer concepts and the words in the book, are what you wound up with.

In my opinion, if Homer would have lived to see someone like me teach TGM, I think he would have been thrilled to see his concepts delivered the way I do it.

My teaching—especially when I am on my own—is so different than Ben's or yours or Gregg's, etc, that it—again IMO—maybe would have changed how HE thought it should, or at least could, be taught to the masses.
 
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Oh, sorry, I missed the question...

Why this one first?

Because this is a debate over not only how TGM should be taught and learned, but how BEST to lower the "world handicap."

I think my way is best.
 
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Brian Manzella said:
Hello Lynn,

Well, you could tell us why YOU teach what you do (and you have, many times), but I have always wondered why Gregg and Mike went up not only a different route than you—but from each other.

Surely, I or almost anyone else, would have been influenced from that class. But the total devotion to a couple of Homer concepts and the words in the book, are what you wound up with.

In my opinion, if Homer would have lived to see someone like me teach TGM, I think he would have been thrilled to see his concepts delivered the way I do it.

My teaching—especially when I am on my own—is so different than Ben's or yours or Gregg's, etc, that it—again IMO—maybe would have changed how HE thought it should, or at least could, be taught to the masses.
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Go for it, big man.

See you in the Winner's Circle.

Or not.
 
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The "winner's circle"?...

anytime, anywhere, little green man.

[NOTE: If you haven't noticed Lynn, you like to stick needles in me, and I like to respond. This is a response, THEY ALL ARE RESPONSES ;)]
 
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It really is a shame, we could just DEBATE on what and how we teach, and everyone would learn, but that would mean you would have to admit that Homer wasn't always perfect and neither are you.

I admit when I stink it up, like I did on a post about a seminar I gave, but didn't like my results. I keep UPGRADING, but to do that, you have to toss stuff out. I toss everyday. And improve.

You made a decision at some point to sell "bloodline" and not "improvement," and thus you make statements like "I still teach exactly what I taught 20 years ago."

Like others have said, Homer was always upgrading and refining his message. Try it, you'll like it.
 
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Mr. Hebron will tell ya that the best way to learn the swing is to do it in one motion. Like EDZ says, feel the club head. Too many thoughts will kill any chance to learn it. Pressure points,accumalators, pivot and what not will take away your ability to think of "Nothing". Swing it back. Mr. Hebron also says that over the years which has killed more people, War or Religion?? Religion it is. So that is the problem with TGM and all its hybrids. Different religions.



Brian Manzella said:
It really is a shame, we could just DEBATE on what and how we teach, and everyone would learn, but that would mean you would have to admit that Homer wasn't always perfect and neither are you.

I admit when I stink it up, like I did on a post about a seminar I gave, but didn't like my results. I keep UPGRADING, but to do that, you have to toss stuff out. I toss everyday. And improve.

You made a decision at some point to sell "bloodline" and not "improvement," and thus you make statements like "I still teach exactly what I taught 20 years ago."

Like others have said, Homer was always upgrading and refining his message. Try it, you'll like it.
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tongzilla

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In the competitive age we are in today it's hard to survive if you don't improve. But the teaching industry in golf seems to be an exception, probably due to the ignorance of golfers, including the teachers themselves.
 
Jayro1

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Perhaps you could help those of us who are out of the loop and tell us about the differences in their preferences.
Thanks
 
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