Homer's Master Class w/Gregg, Mike and Lynn
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This is turning into FGI.
Brian Manzella
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This is no "civil war."
This is just a difference in philosophy and a difference in how the difference is marketed.
This is just a difference in philosophy and a difference in how the difference is marketed.
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vandal said:
Yes....far from FGI.
Most ppl can think independently (with common sense)....and either know something..........or are here to learn something.....improve........
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lol....sometimes ppl get pooped on a bit....
mandrin did....in a way.....
BUT....mandrin played some hardball himself when he wrote up his posts.....I guess much like Brian did on FGI lol....
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And really...
Brian didn't BAN mandrin either....(you got banned on FGI didn't you Brian? or did u leave?)....it all blew over.....
....and now mandrin's more or less good to go.
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I think this forum's pretty fair most of the time....I feel like I can say pretty much anything....I'll get questioned or challenged if I deserve it......that's how it should be.
birdie_man
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rundmc said:
ahahaha....genious.
I think Brian’s short hand of there being two differences is correct, but we can expand those somewhat to six defining differences.
1) Differences in goals (which might be visible, or might not be; personal and corporate).
2) Differences in approach (preferred styles or not)
3) Differences in styles (empathetic, professorial, evil taskmaster/mistress, etc.)
4) Selections in how content/contact happens (one on one, groups, video, etc.)
5) Differences in marketed message(s)
6) Differences in how message(s) is/willbe marketed.
5) and 6) will necessarily involve selection for certain target audiences.
When Brian wrote there could be differences in “philosophy”…that would include the areas 1-4 I listed above. So asking about any differences in philosophy would have component differences in those 4 areas. Some have asked about #2 which certainly has it’s place from a student point of view. Personally I think students making a teacher selection would focus in on #2 and #3.
From the teacher point of view, some of the above can get personal when something is derided as inferior or lacking or untrue. Hopefully there will be room for differently talented teachers, and that we students can make good choices in going to one(s) which fit our own needs and temperaments. The worst situation is getting into something which does not fit one’s needs. One great thing it appears about Brian, is he’s “right there” “in your face”, so there is no mistaking the content, approach, or even message. Not stating anything against anyone else, but that’s something I like a lot, having the cards right there on the table.
1) Differences in goals (which might be visible, or might not be; personal and corporate).
2) Differences in approach (preferred styles or not)
3) Differences in styles (empathetic, professorial, evil taskmaster/mistress, etc.)
4) Selections in how content/contact happens (one on one, groups, video, etc.)
5) Differences in marketed message(s)
6) Differences in how message(s) is/willbe marketed.
5) and 6) will necessarily involve selection for certain target audiences.
When Brian wrote there could be differences in “philosophy”…that would include the areas 1-4 I listed above. So asking about any differences in philosophy would have component differences in those 4 areas. Some have asked about #2 which certainly has it’s place from a student point of view. Personally I think students making a teacher selection would focus in on #2 and #3.
From the teacher point of view, some of the above can get personal when something is derided as inferior or lacking or untrue. Hopefully there will be room for differently talented teachers, and that we students can make good choices in going to one(s) which fit our own needs and temperaments. The worst situation is getting into something which does not fit one’s needs. One great thing it appears about Brian, is he’s “right there” “in your face”, so there is no mistaking the content, approach, or even message. Not stating anything against anyone else, but that’s something I like a lot, having the cards right there on the table.
Brian Manzella
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tongzilla said:
Very, very few people know more TOTAL INFORMATION about golf mechanics than Gregg. He spent time with Ben, Homer, guys like Gideon Airel, etc.
Holder spent time with Ben, Homer and Mac.
Lynn is well read, but probably has TGM as a greater % of his total golf knowledge.
The fact that Gregg had to TEACH to make a living, and Mike had to make 5 guys play good at one time, and Lynn did a couple of years of seminars and then went into the financial world for 20 years, has the MOST to do with the differences.
Gregg never cared a lick about being "thought of" as #1. The only #1 Holder cared about was a college ranking. Lynn would like to be thought of as #1, he thinks—or at least says—he wants to "revolutionize golf." I think that Lynn would have quit a long time ago, if he had done what Gregg and I have done, standing on the tee all day long. IMO, So would have Mike Holder.
My guess on my original question is this:
Lynn was preparing his MARKETING APPROACH when he was taking the Master Class. The questions sound like someone "fishing" for a SELL-able response. The way the three of them spent the next 20-something years have as much to do with it as anything.
I KNOW WHAT WORKS. That's the difference between me and Lynn. I HAD TO FIND OUT. Lynn came out of that class running, and has "run" the same "play" everyday since.
I went to Ben to learn, learned a bunch, but wound up with a WHOLE DIFFERENT approach than Ben. I went to Lynn to see what Homer told him, and I have tested it extensively. I know which parts work on some, which don't on some, and why they do or don't.
I told Joe Daniels and Danny Elkins, that I WOULD LEARN WHAT THOSE GUYS KNOW, but they will never learn what I know. For me to teach a guy like Lynn or Mike a WORKABLE amount of what I know would take a couple of weeks, and they aren't coming a callin'.
Leo, even Ben told me I know more TOTAL GOLF SWING INFORMATION AND WHY THINGS WORK OR DON'T THAN ANYONE. All of the answers aren't in the book.
That's why MY BACKSWING worked better on you at Canton, then the BOOK version.
Ed, I know you are a LYNN-ite, that's cool, but if you spent a few days watching and learning from the Stallion, you'd sing a far different tune.
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I Believe I Can Fly
Brian genuinely believes what he teaches is the best.
Lynn genuinely believes what he teaches is the best.
When you have two guys with strong passionate beliefs on the same subject, and are willing to fight for what they believe in, then you’re gonna get some fire (especially if you throw a bit of ego into the equation too).
Brian genuinely believes what he teaches is the best.
Lynn genuinely believes what he teaches is the best.
When you have two guys with strong passionate beliefs on the same subject, and are willing to fight for what they believe in, then you’re gonna get some fire (especially if you throw a bit of ego into the equation too).
Brian Manzella
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tongzilla said:
Fair enough, Leo.
Except for one little thing—YOU!
When you did "What Lynn thought was best" you hit a weak high slice.
When you did "What Brian thought was best" you hit a strong draw.
Where in heck is my credit?
Tom Bartlett
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Equifax, Trans Union, Experian.
All of the answers aren't in the book.
Whenever you are dealing with the human body, you will never find all the answers in a book. Even if someone does come up with a book that can categorize every working part of the body/ and all of its variations, you will then have to add into the mix "the mind". Then, add in the different body types and flexibilities of people.
Its impossible.
Some believe there are a million different combinations of components for the golf swing. How many different variations are there in just the triceps muscle alone (attachments, insertions, width, length of muscle and tendon)?
Whenever you are dealing with the human body, you will never find all the answers in a book. Even if someone does come up with a book that can categorize every working part of the body/ and all of its variations, you will then have to add into the mix "the mind". Then, add in the different body types and flexibilities of people.
Its impossible.
Some believe there are a million different combinations of components for the golf swing. How many different variations are there in just the triceps muscle alone (attachments, insertions, width, length of muscle and tendon)?
Brian Manzella
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mb6606 said:
Great Question!
Because GETTING the three imperatives Is what I teach.
He teaches getting there a certain way.
Guys and gals, listen:
Wouldn't it be great if he were right? Wouldn't it be great if ALL you had to do what he says, which is this "Set your flying wedges. Put your head precisely between your feet and leave it there. Trace a straight plane line with your forearm and #3 pressure point up this one plane and down this one plane. Keep practicing and the kingdom of golf is yours."
Wouldn't it be great?
Wouldn't it be great if everyone's BEST PATTERN included these prefernces?
Wouldn't it be great if these things—as ideas that people should try to do—would help everyone?
Wouldn't it be great?
I agree, it would be.
But it a'int.
NO ONE owns this game.
Everyone's swing is MUCH MORE like a garden than a building.
Some people HATE THE TERMINOLOGY.
Most, have a swing that they are bringing to the table that will never completely leave (at least their minds).
I teach the 3 Imperatives. I teach that THEY dictate the components. He doesn't.
His whole WORLD would come crumbling down if I was even half right.
It would require him learning WHAT EVERYONE IS TEACHING AND WHY (because people come to the table with other teacher's ideas).
It would require him giving 1000's of lessons to learn to adapt to all the different people and all the different kinds of lessons a real teacher has to give.
Nah, If I were him, I'd keep doing what I am doing, selling the "Holy Grail of Golf."
I'd even leave him alone, if he'd stop trying to shoot holes in me and what I teach—slyly as he tries to do it.
My Product: I can get you to DO IT!
(What's it?...The three imperatives, even if I don't even tell you about any imperatives
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Tom Bartlett
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"Everyone's swing is MUCH MORE like a garden than a building."- Brian Manzella
How so Brian?
How so Brian?
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