HOSEL ROCKETS SH@^%$! (videos included (rated R))

[jtf8751]

Yep thats right, everyone is entitled to their opinion and sometimes it better to hear from someone that has gone through it and struggled day after day. I may not be an instructor but I have found things to fix my swing and sometimes it may be helpful to other people.

Jim you are right, but everything I said is in reality, the same thing. I said he swings out to the right because he may be under the sweetspot. Then if you change directions and swing really out to in which I doubt he is, you will shank it. So your exactly right. But you can turn your body a little open with the clubface square and swing and you will swing out to the right and shank it.

 

[Burner]

Ian (Burner),

You could not POSSIBLY be more wrong.

He has the clubface WAY TOO OPEN halfway down on BOTH shots.

He is BELOW the sweetspot like EVERY other shanker.

On the first ball he flips it and shanks it. On the second he flips it closed enough.

And that's a fact Jack.

WHOOPS! Seems like I've done it again.

Anyone know how to slow these videos down so I can get a better look at whats actually going on?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Yep thats right, everyone is entitled to their opinion and sometimes it better to hear from someone that has gone through it and struggled day after day. I may not be an instructor but I have found things to fix my swing and sometimes it may be helpful to other people.

Jim you are right, but everything I said is in reality, the same thing. I said he swings out to the right because he may be under the sweetspot. Then if you change directions and swing really out to in which I doubt he is, you will shank it. So your exactly right. But you can turn your body a little open with the clubface square and swing and you will swing out to the right and shank it.

jt i wasn't specially talking about you, there were just some opinions that were said that really aren't the root cause. we try and fix the root cause and not some effect, thats why we tend to get better/faster results in lessons.

Also, i don't agree with you that if you open your body you will swing to the right. When you open your body you are predisposing where your arms are going to go. They will tend to go more out/up and come more down/in.

The only way you can stand open and swing to the right is with A LOT of axis tilt and a purposeful meaning to do so, like Trevino and Couples do.

 

[jtf8751]

Thats fine Jim, no big deal. But thats fine if you don't agree with me. But I found when I opened by body up a little I wanted to swing right down the target line and sometimes I would shank it. Instead of coming straight down and around to my left which contacts the ball much better I would swing sometimes out to the right. Thats all I was saying because it worked for me. But I agree with the cause of shanking, because I was bringing the sweet spot underneath and out to the right which caused my shanking.

 

[birdie_man]

He is SOoooooooooo poor at those SwingVision things, if they put me on one week doing them, they pay me a million dollars to do it every week and Peter two million to never do them again.

YUCK!!!

But he says everything with such conviction.........................

...Kostis................

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Thats fine Jim, no big deal. But thats fine if you don't agree with me. But I found when I opened by body up a little I wanted to swing right down the target line and sometimes I would shank it. Instead of coming straight down and around to my left which contacts the ball much better I would swing sometimes out to the right. Thats all I was saying because it worked for me. But I agree with the cause of shanking, because I was bringing the sweet spot underneath and out to the right which caused my shanking.

You have a different definition for "swinging right." Swinging out to right, as we say on this site, is "bending" your clubshaft plane line to the right. So essentially you should be tracing a plane line that does this: I. But you are swinging too far right when you go this way: /.

Again, the reason why anyone shanks it is because they are lagging the hosel.

That's what we are trying to explain. It doesn't matter, if you stand too close, are on the balls of your feet, on the toes of your feet, trying to tie your shoe....you are lagging the sweetspot for some reason.

Now could one of the descriptions above help cause that? Sometimes, but it is usually only a couple reasons.

Edited: Corrected, thanks BidD and Ed.