how do you hit the "Tour Pitch"

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Brian Manzella

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Me Too!

The MANZELLA MATRIX SHORT GAME video will include the "TOUR Pitch."

When?

I as soon as I can. I have one more week left of an unprecedented last 20 weeks of lessons with folks from all over the country and the world.

I am not burnt out, but I am dead tired. :eek:
 
Michael Jacobs

Michael Jacobs

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This might be the video of all videos..........

Little do most folks know, One of the manzella academy's strongest teaching points is the short game..

I have the lone copy of the short game matrix video from the long island academy...........

I predict when its made and released it will be this site's biggest seller
 
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Chris Sturgess

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I actually think I pretty much got this shot now. It goes somewhat low and checks at least, which I guess is all that's involved. My problem turned out to be mainly tempo I think. I was kind of decelerating or at least not accelerating before, trying to hit it the right distance. Now I accelerate more and that did a lot. Not sure if I am bottoming out the flange first to use the bounce but I guess I am.

Brian, you should put a tour pitch in your next youtube.
 
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conkanen

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Michael Jacobs said:
This might be the video of all videos..........

Little do most folks know, One of the manzella academy's strongest teaching points is the short game..

I have the lone copy of the short game matrix video from the long island academy...........

I predict when its made and released it will be this site's biggest seller
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Man I am pumped for this one. I cannot wait! I need something to get me through this off season!
 
faux_maestro

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Brian Manzella said:
The MANZELLA MATRIX SHORT GAME video will include the "TOUR Pitch."

When?

I as soon as I can. I have one more week left of an unprecedented last 20 weeks of lessons with folks from all over the country and the world.

I am not burnt out, but I am dead tired. :eek:
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Here's a request for this video. Any possibility of this video being produced?
 
Todd Dugan

Todd Dugan

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The low-launching, high-spinning pitch is the result of one collision condition over all others..............FRICTION. Factors that affect friction include; groove design, ball design/material, amount and type of debris between clubface and ball during collision. Stop thinking that there is some "magic" to this shot. There isn't. Make clean contact and you will produce the maximum spin that your equipment will allow.

The modern Tour ball doesn't spin nearly as much as the old balatas did. And the new groove spec for the condition of competition removes possible friction from what has been available recently. Yes, the Mack Daddy grooves are ridiculous, BUT, they ruin balls. The new grooves don't chew my ball at all. You can still hit this shot, just not like before.
 
ZAP

ZAP

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As someone who just cannot seem to get the tour pitch I would love a short game video.
 
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DCgolf

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Kevin Shields said:
Weight distribution varies with the club. More left the more bounce your wedge has. I hit this shot very well. I start with shaft lean and an open face. Rounded, shallow takeaway with not a ton of wrist set. Really shallow feel into the ball, then....ZIP! Lots of speed thru the ball as the face lays back and left arm wings out behind my left lat. Almost no divot and a skidding feel thru ball. Lob wedge with a longer impact with shaft lean off hardpan. BTW, skill trumps strength on this shot. ;)
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Kevin, so the shallow angle is from the wrist not setting and the speed is arm speed? Do you turn through on this or is the body quiet?
 
Virtuoso

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Todd Dugan said:
The low-launching, high-spinning pitch is the result of one collision condition over all others..............FRICTION. Factors that affect friction include; groove design, ball design/material, amount and type of debris between clubface and ball during collision. Stop thinking that there is some "magic" to this shot. There isn't. Make clean contact and you will produce the maximum spin that your equipment will allow.

The modern Tour ball doesn't spin nearly as much as the old balatas did. And the new groove spec for the condition of competition removes possible friction from what has been available recently. Yes, the Mack Daddy grooves are ridiculous, BUT, they ruin balls. The new grooves don't chew my ball at all. You can still hit this shot, just not like before.
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Very well said.
 
Virtuoso

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Jon Hardesty said:
The higher the initial spin rate...the lower the launch angle. Not magic, only science...
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Yes, the kinetic energy carried by the club is transfered to the ball. The energy is split between linear motion (or more appropriately, vertical velocity, as it bounces upward off the club) and angular momentum (spin). If, as Todd pointed out, the friction is higher, the angular momentum is higher and the vertical velocity is less. So, for this particular "ball-club system", higher spin happens in concert with lower launch.
 
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crkranz

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I remember reading this a few years ago by Ernie Els.

Ernie's easy tips: go after tight pins with my 'nipper.' Here's how | Golf Digest | Find Articles at BNET
The nipper looks like a tour player's shot: It stays low, takes one hop and stops. I use it anywhere from 20 to 40 yards off the green. With some practice, you can use it, too. Here's how:

First, play the ball slightly back in your stance. Staying very stable over your legs, turn your shoulders until your arms get to waist height. Keep your left wrist firm and hit the ball first, with an aggressive, descending blow. You're turning sand wedge loft into 9-iron loft, which makes the shot fly low and spin a lot.

The biggest mistakes average players make are using too much hand action to try to create spin and taking a big divot in an effort to hit down on the ball.

Hit the ball first and you'll create plenty of spin. I might take a little bit of grass-after I hit the ball-but nothing like the divot I'd take on a full wedge swing.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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what people i think want to do (you tell me if i'm wrong) is how to get the shot to be so low. The spin is the easy part, the low is the hard part.

There are 2 main things mentioned already that are the key:

1) Very shallow angle of attack mentioned by Kevin
2) Hitting it very low on the face mentioned by Brian

Also i'd like to add you need a wedge with a certain amount of bounce/grind to even be able to do this. So essentially a wedge with a sharp leading edge with a decent amount of sole width. The idea is that you are almost purposefully hitting a thinned shot.

To be perfectly honest, unless you play golf A LOT and are very skilled with a wedge it isn't even worth learning how to do this shot. You won't use it very often (need a really good lie from the fairway for it) and it's a very low % type shot for an amateur. There are other ways to get it close with spin that are much more predictable and easier to repeat.

I'll admit, it "looks" cool though.
 
grahler

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+1 to above. Not a lot of folks are consistent enough in clean contact and ability to read the lie to really take advantage of the few times this shot is the best option. I always tell people clean contact is the most important part of a pitch/check shot. Even when you own this shot be advised it can backfire-I have hit shots that freeze after a hop from say 30 yards but I have finally learned play the simplest shot necessary if you want to score. That said I had a lie 3 days ago in the rough that allowed me clean contact from about 25 yards but I had to go under a tree to a short side pin-froze the ball and saved par but it's a 40-50 percent likelihood of success from the get go with mass spin. I will use the shot only if there is no other choice.
 
tongzilla

tongzilla

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What are you guys on about. If i didnt know how to play golf this would seem so difficult by the sound of it. I hit this shot by default with my 52 or 56 wedge. For me it only goes high if I cock my wrists too much. And it only rolls a lot if I bow my wrist at impact (or top it, which rarely happens). Having a nice free flowing rhythm is key, rather than jerk it low
 
jenhaoyen

jenhaoyen

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i think if you watch confession of the flipper, you can do it. I still use it sometimes, although there are times i wish it would keep rolling...but not sure how to do it...
 
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