How do you identify a Swinger, and what...
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Of the 24 different components in the uncompensated strokes of TGM 12-1-0 Drive Loading (Hitting) and 12-2-0 Drag Loading (Swinging), there are nine Different components between the two. Each should be studied individually to compare and contrast the pushing action of the hitter vs. the pulling action of the swinger.
To be brief, Snead swang, he was dominated by his left side- a puller of the club. Arnie clobbered, he was dominated by his right side - a pusher of the grip.
Do you pull or push?
Swing or Hit is a TGM concept. The major difference would be, besides what many of us have posted about push and pull, are the availiable of hinge action used by hitters and swingers. Swingers trust their horizontal hinge action for all shots. Hitters can use any of the three and usually can control the ball flight better.
How the clubface is opened and closed on the ball is hinge action. Good golfers use both swing and hitting actions depending on the club.
Do you pull or push?
Swing or Hit is a TGM concept. The major difference would be, besides what many of us have posted about push and pull, are the availiable of hinge action used by hitters and swingers. Swingers trust their horizontal hinge action for all shots. Hitters can use any of the three and usually can control the ball flight better.
How the clubface is opened and closed on the ball is hinge action. Good golfers use both swing and hitting actions depending on the club.
drewitgolf
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Good call ppt3. For having just started posting, you already have a good grasp of TGM. 6bee1dee and bts both bring up good points. However, I not sure I exactly agree with 6bee1dee that "hitters usually can control the ball flight better". Both are effective depending upon the player's ability to execute each type.
Hitters (pushers) precisely apply right arm thrust through impact or else clubhead speed will slow dramatically. Swingers (pullers) are dependant upon the "fictious force" known as centrifugal force (IMO it a matter of semantics). C.F. does the work for you. Crank up the gyroscopic effect of the circling clubhead and then simply hold on until follow through.
In regard to release, Homer states, "Release motions are not part of the stroke components. There are (2) motions, uncocking and rolling. When swinging with a horizontal hinge, the roll comes after the uncocking. With hitting with an angled hinge, uncocking and rolling happen at the same time. Release motions--uncocking and rolling-- are sequenced for swinging and simultaneous for hitting."
Hitters (pushers) precisely apply right arm thrust through impact or else clubhead speed will slow dramatically. Swingers (pullers) are dependant upon the "fictious force" known as centrifugal force (IMO it a matter of semantics). C.F. does the work for you. Crank up the gyroscopic effect of the circling clubhead and then simply hold on until follow through.
In regard to release, Homer states, "Release motions are not part of the stroke components. There are (2) motions, uncocking and rolling. When swinging with a horizontal hinge, the roll comes after the uncocking. With hitting with an angled hinge, uncocking and rolling happen at the same time. Release motions--uncocking and rolling-- are sequenced for swinging and simultaneous for hitting."
My point about ball control was only in the context that swingers use horizontal hinging almost exclusively, they must live or die with it. And not a bad thing, consistency is a virtue, but they are heavy users of horizontal. As the club gets smaller, and since the pro game is driver short iron anyway, a vertical hinge may be played. Whereas, a hitter, because they can use any hinge, as Homer says, WITHOUT RESERVATION, they inherently, at least, have better ball control. Chuck feels that almost every golfer save off the tee, hits.
I swing but have been learning the ways of the hitter,
FanofHogan
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I prefer "Hi-Karate" myself but to each his own.
drewitgolf
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True, Clubhead lag has no release point.
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SWINGER:
Backswing goes to the END (Like Phil M.) sweetspot (clubface) and #3 pressure point rotes 90 degrees open (in the book 'a quarter turn'), downstroke the golfer PULLS the club lengthwise and the clubface rotates closed (horizontal hinging) on its own (sweetspot lining up with the swing).
HITTER:
Backswing goes to the TOP (Like Brian M.) sweetspot (clubface) and #3 pressure point does not rotate open al ALL, downstroke the golfer PUSHES (or drives) the club ACROSS THE SHAFT and the clubface does not close (angled hinging).
Backswing goes to the END (Like Phil M.) sweetspot (clubface) and #3 pressure point rotes 90 degrees open (in the book 'a quarter turn'), downstroke the golfer PULLS the club lengthwise and the clubface rotates closed (horizontal hinging) on its own (sweetspot lining up with the swing).
HITTER:
Backswing goes to the TOP (Like Brian M.) sweetspot (clubface) and #3 pressure point does not rotate open al ALL, downstroke the golfer PUSHES (or drives) the club ACROSS THE SHAFT and the clubface does not close (angled hinging).
Check your clubface at both arms straight for a chip shot. (Both arms straight, Basic Motion, 24 inches back, 24 inches through.)
If it is 90 degrees to the plane line, grooves facing toward the sky left of the target line, you are probably a hitter. (Angled Hingeing.)
If the clubface aims left, grooves facing dead left for a right handed player, you are probably a swinger. (Horizontal hingeing.)
This is not a complete way to check, but one of the indicators. Swingers tend to rotate, hitters have some lateral movement towards the inside aft quadrant.
Also, do you pull the club with your left arm?(Drag loading=swinger) or do you push the club with your right? (Drive loading=hitter)
If it is 90 degrees to the plane line, grooves facing toward the sky left of the target line, you are probably a hitter. (Angled Hingeing.)
If the clubface aims left, grooves facing dead left for a right handed player, you are probably a swinger. (Horizontal hingeing.)
This is not a complete way to check, but one of the indicators. Swingers tend to rotate, hitters have some lateral movement towards the inside aft quadrant.
Also, do you pull the club with your left arm?(Drag loading=swinger) or do you push the club with your right? (Drive loading=hitter)
Brian,
If a person is trying to be a SWINGER, but has the TOP position like a HITTER, or vice versa, what problems would likely be the result? (i.e...concerning clubface, sweet spot, pressure point rotation, etc.)
Also... do you believe there is such a thing as a COMBINATION player?
4-Barrel... is that a COMBINATION player... maybe Tiger?
If a person is trying to be a SWINGER, but has the TOP position like a HITTER, or vice versa, what problems would likely be the result? (i.e...concerning clubface, sweet spot, pressure point rotation, etc.)
Also... do you believe there is such a thing as a COMBINATION player?
4-Barrel... is that a COMBINATION player... maybe Tiger?
FanofHogan
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If Tiger is a 4 barrel then he needs a carburator rebuild quick like, right now.
FanofHogan
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quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee
quote:Originally posted by FanofHogan
If Tiger is a 4 barrel then he needs a carburator rebuild quick like, right now.
I see Ben Doyle teach 4 barrell to senior ladies.
That was a comment on the current state of his accuracy.
Lagster:
During my Authorization class, we examined Tiger's swing. Joe Daniels stated that only Tiger could tell you if he uses drive loading in a 4 barrel procedure, but I got the impression that he believed he did use accumulator #1 at the bottom.
He also said that to ask Tiger if he did would be a bad thing; migh make him think too much.
I don't believe, but do not know, if a 4 barrel swing is a combination. Speaking from memory, hitters can be 4 barrel as well as swingers, they just release the package simultaneously rather than sequentially.
There are combination players, but they have compensations, which Homer says are like temporary taxes, seldom temporary and soon forgotten.
We also looked at Mickelson, who was struggling with accuracy at the time, and he was a combination player at the time. Swinger's assembly with horizontal hinge but a hitter's lateral slide.
I haven't looked at him closely lately, but I suspect you will see his lateral movement less than two years ago.
Again, not gospel, just my opinion.
Mayo
During my Authorization class, we examined Tiger's swing. Joe Daniels stated that only Tiger could tell you if he uses drive loading in a 4 barrel procedure, but I got the impression that he believed he did use accumulator #1 at the bottom.
He also said that to ask Tiger if he did would be a bad thing; migh make him think too much.
I don't believe, but do not know, if a 4 barrel swing is a combination. Speaking from memory, hitters can be 4 barrel as well as swingers, they just release the package simultaneously rather than sequentially.
There are combination players, but they have compensations, which Homer says are like temporary taxes, seldom temporary and soon forgotten.
We also looked at Mickelson, who was struggling with accuracy at the time, and he was a combination player at the time. Swinger's assembly with horizontal hinge but a hitter's lateral slide.
I haven't looked at him closely lately, but I suspect you will see his lateral movement less than two years ago.
Again, not gospel, just my opinion.
Mayo
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