How good of a teacher was Homer Kelley?

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sorry 4 barrels but your attitude will hinder you as a teacher. Maybe you are the one with ADD and you may never learn how to teach because of that. I wonder if brian thinks he only helps out ten percent of his students, but I dont necesarrily expect him to chime in on that.

To further expand. I was a big brother in the Big brother big sister program for 2 years, that is a mentor program for kids. When I met Nick he was 12, was diagnosed with ADHD, was a liar, very hyper, and uncontrolable. From the beginning I told him when he is with me he is not allowed to purchase any drinks with caffeine, and not allowed to buy candy. I told him that we would be doing things that were fun, like building skateboard ramps, making sleds to go down big grassy hills, and always doing some sort of activity. One day we were at gatorland, a park with a few hundred alligators, and he was misbehaving. I put him in timeout. Well he liked to push buttons so while in timeout he was smiling and laughing. He made it a point to seem like he was having fun so I asked him, "nick, are you having fun in timeout" and he said "yeah", so I said "good, you can just stay there five extra minutes" That wiped the smile right off his face and never again did he act like he was having a good time in timeout.

So I also said he was a liar. After hanging out with him for about six months I figured it was time to lay down the law in regards to him lieing to me. Now in the previous six months we had done a lot of things, go to skateboard park, build ramps, go to ammusement park etc... So Nick really enjoyed his time with me, and I also with him. I then sat him down and told him, "Nick, I realize that you are not always honest with people, and that includes me. Now it is time for you to stop that." I then proceeded to give him multiple examples of things he had lied about. so then I said, "Those are in the past and you dont have to worry about them, I just wanted to let you know that I know when you are lieing, you are not a good liar. From now on though if you lie to me I will take you home immediately, no matter where we are at, and if it happens a second time not only will I take you home but I will not see you the following week" I do remember that he lied to me twice within the first couple months of telling him that, In the last year+ of seeing him it did not again.


My point is this, I hung out with a hyperactive kidd with ADD who was very disrespectful, Lied, loved candy, sodas, and mcdonalds, and cared about no one other then himself. after 8 months of hanging out with him he was still all of those things, but not around me ;)

If you ask me what is the one thing I hate about teaching children, it is the fact that I almost always have more control over the kids then the parents, but I guess I can change that, all I have to do is give up and say they are unteachable.
 
quote:Originally posted by rundmc

So responsibility rests firmly in the student's court.


I agree and disagree with this statement. If the teacher is a good teacher then yes this statement is true, if the teacher is a bad teacher then the statement is false. what you said about the teacher dictating the cirriculum is spot on. I teach in a classroom and what do you think happens when I let the students dictate things? No learning takes place and I go home with a headache and irratated. I am not always a nice guy to my students, nor am I disrespectful. I have a job to do and that is teach.
 

Tom Bartlett

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One of Brian's favorite movie quotes (and I totally agree with it) "There are no such things as bad students, only bad teachers"...Pat Morita in the Karate Kid.

This by the way, I believe, is Brian's stance and teaching philosophy... If Lynn is Yoda then Brian is Mr. Miyagi. He would, as he says, "trick" the student into doing what Brian wants and what he (the student) should do...paint the fence=block a punch, wax on wax off=block a kick. Brian will use simple terms and things nobody else would use to get his student to do sometimes difficult things.

domo arigato gozaima****a
 
In general, some students are there for a sense of belonging, could care a less of the outcome. With golf in particular, most want to learn but lack the time for application to condition the mind appropriately. Let's face it, 3.5-5.5 (heaven forbid weekend play) hours for a round of golf takes a lot of folks out of the equation. And that does not even factor in practice time. Work is just overrated...

Most of us fall into the general category of "use it or lose it", no matter the profession or avocation. The 10% are just darned gifted.

And the teachers are there to put us back "on course"...
 

pluthb

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Here is a list of people that I know that have worked with Mr. Kelley or have attended his classes:
Ben Doyle
Paul Runyan
Mike Holder, OK State coach who has produced who knows how many all-americans
Byron Nelson
 

Steve Khatib

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Youre all right in your own way!

I just gave four one hour lessons since my last post five hours ago. 'BLOOD MONEY ' as Billy McKinney patented this as.

Here's what I saw:
-Student one female new player overweight by 40lbs but had played sports in her youth and was intelligent for a female golfer(most are just trophies on their husband's arm). She listened gave feedback and eventually sustained pp#3 in both chips and multi barrel pitch shots. Big improvements considering the quitting she had at the start.

-Student two high executive a multi national corporation uncoordinated impatient and didnt hear a word I said so I had to trick him like Tom Bartlett said Mr Miyagi and Brian does. I upgraded and fixed him, but his improvements wont last as he didnt listen and learnt by trickery, this happens all the time. My hope is with enough rapport in 6months he may start listening.

-Student three a young fit know all best golfer of them all! I had to agree with all of the feels rather than mechanics he had and sneak some teaching in amongst the highly credible in his mind Golf Digest, TV tips, friends opinions etc. He comes back broken again each time, but knows somehow I can fix him.

-Student Four was a 70 year old former national level football coach who had the right attitude and was very fit, but had the wrong cirriculum as he learnt from his 23handicap friends. He picked it up really quickly and loved it. We spoke about coaching and the skills required beyond technical knowledge to get the most out of people. He will really improve, not because of my skills but the TGM cirriculum and laws.

Summary points:
golf coaches need a degree in physcology as it has little to do with information if you cant read people.

The best students have similar personality traits and will therefore make the most improvements based on their current level of competency.

The worst students are not necesarilly the worst golfers and can be fixed but the fixes dont last or stay fixed as Brian said, because they dont own the skill they meerly got tricked into it. Here no learning took place just tricking.

I wish all my students read Mike Hebron's 'Art and Zen of Learning Golf' but many wouldnt understand why they needed it or think I was crazy asking tnem to read it. Hebron is a genius, but he cant unfortunately help people against their will.

As for the comment that I have a bad attitude on teaching I think you misunderstanding what I am trying to say. One of my students who has a masters degree in adult education(and is a member of this forum) says she is shocked how I adapt to these varying people each lesson. She agrees and says we have to train people to be better students and learn to make the best of the students we have.

At best this caddyshack saying tells it all :' the world needs ditch diggers to!'
 
no 4 barrels, I did not misunderstand you or what you are trying to say. In life sometimes the people you think will change never do and sometimes the people you never think would change, do. sounds like you look into your crystal ball and have already figured out who that is.
 
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