How impressive is Ricky Fowler

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MikeD2

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Nicklaus v. Kostis Analysis

I beg to differ from Mr. Nicklaus, but to say that kid wasn't turning is to look at only one part of his body. Take a look at this down the line view and tell me how many cheeks you see at impact.

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Granted, these are two different swings from different events, but I don't think anyone who saw Fowler down the line would say he was "stopping."

I agree the swing demands perfect timing but he has incredible athletic ability and a big future.
 
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Since we're dealing with an inclined plane, doesn't everybody swing left at some point in their swing? I think Fowler's swing is so flat it appears as if he's not going left.
 
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mb6606 said:
Doesn't swing left why is he such a good ball striker?
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He's a great driver of the ball. You can hit the ball off the tee very well and swing out to the right. I still swing out to the right too much and the best part of my game? My driving. By far, not even close.

I don't know about his iron game, but it failed him Sunday and when he needed a tight wedge in Arizona, it wasn't there either. Again, you can overcome swinging out to the right if you have the talent, but more often than not it's really a swing best suited for the driver. And there's nothing wrong with that, when I'm hitting the driver well and putting well, I score well. It's when I can put the total package together that I can get into the mid-60's. I think the Tour works the same way, drive well and putt well and you're likely going to score well.





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MikeD2 said:
Since we're dealing with an inclined plane, doesn't everbody swing left at some point in their swing? I think Fowler's swing is so flat it appears as if he's not going left.
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The club goes left, but not the horzizontal swing plane, which gets the path out to the right. Imagine an inclined plane board going right at the target. When you swing like Fowler does, it would be like shifting the inclined plane board to it is pointing right of the target.

Moe Norman had a swing out to the right look to his swing, but his attack angle was so shallow that it shifted the path to the left and thus he had to release the club down the line to zero out his path. Fowler doesn't have Moe's attack angle, thus he his path gets out to the right and he hits draws. And there's nothing wrong with that if you feel comfortable doing it and you can repeat it.





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Looking at this DTL view, it is just amazing to me how flat he is in his transition. I realize that his swing has quite a bit of "tumble" and therefore he is less flat at impact, but during the transition, at about 0:14 to 0:20, his swing has got to be one of the flattest ever seen.

Not a criticism...I'm just amazed by it. Perhaps because my own swing is too steep (and gets too steep in the transition) it's just incredible to me that a person could hit the ball from a position like that.

Lots and lots of talent..
 
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He sets up with pretty low hands. What is the benefit of this? I'm gussing it promotes a steeper backswing, which he flattens out coming down, similar to Furyk?
 
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Richie3Jack said:
The club goes left, but not the horzizontal swing plane, which gets the path out to the right. Imagine an inclined plane board going right at the target. When you swing like Fowler does, it would be like shifting the inclined plane board to it is pointing right of the target.

Moe Norman had a swing out to the right look to his swing, but his attack angle was so shallow that it shifted the path to the left and thus he had to release the club down the line to zero out his path. Fowler doesn't have Moe's attack angle, thus he his path gets out to the right and he hits draws. And there's nothing wrong with that if you feel comfortable doing it and you can repeat it.
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Sergio swings on a low plane and gets way after impact left??
 
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mb6606 said:
Sergio swings on a low plane and gets way after impact left??
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Sergio 'keeps turning' as opposed to Fowler who really seems to brake his pivot from halfway down and is all arms and hands. Sergio has really low hands at impact and turns his body harder through the ball. Although they have a similar wrist set at the start down, Sergio sometimes struggles to release early enough, where Fowler actually is closer to releasing too early and flipping by the looks of it.
 
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mb6606 said:
Sergio swings on a low plane and gets way after impact left??
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Sergio has to in order to zero out the path. Same with Fowler.

But Fowler doesn't, so his path goes out to the right.

I didn't fully grasp this until Brian showed me on one of his U-Stream shows awhile ago, don't miss those..lots of good info.

You have to 'swing left' in order to have a chance to hit it dead straight at the target with a sweetspot strike. You can still be a really good ballstriker and not swing left, but hitting it dead straight at the target is a different story.

However, not only do I prefer trying to hit it straight as it allows me to wind up with better 'misses', it's easy to see why 'getting zeroes' will lead to better and more consistent ballstriking. The misses won't be as drastic and it's pretty hard to mis-hit one if the face and path are very close to 0.0.






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Justin Rose Memorial

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Last weeks winner - driver swing without a lot of left?
 
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MikeD2

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Help me out with this, Richie. If his attack angle at separation is up, doesn't he have to be swinging left in a reasonably good swing?
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but with a driver(or any club) when having a positive attack angle(swinging up), you should be swinging a little right to have a straight ball flight.
 
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spktho said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but with a driver(or any club) when having a positive attack angle(swinging up), you should be swinging a little right to have a straight ball flight.
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That's the bunny, or aiming right enough for YOU to zero out if you swing left.
 
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spktho said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but with a driver(or any club) when having a positive attack angle(swinging up), you should be swinging a little right to have a straight ball flight.
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Exactamundo. Of course VSP plays a role as well.

But typically if you see a good golfer who swings out to the right, it's a good bet that they are a good driver of the ball but maybe not so good with the irons.





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