How much turn do you need?

[jenhaoyen]

I'm having a hard time turning behind the ball. On the finish of my backswing, I turned probably between 70-85 degrees, not even 90 degrees and I felt like my swing is complete already. If i tried to turn more I really have a hard time coming back to the ball. Should I keep trying, or just leave it at where it is? I do feel like If i don't complete the turn my right arm will keep lifting.

 

[jimmyt]

I read once that Johnny Miller said when your left shoulder hits your chin, your backswing is complete. Think that is a fantastic guide as everyone has different levels of flexability.

I have limited flexability so that method frees me to know exactly when my backswing is complete.

Can you try to increase flexability? 100% yes! Many methods.

Brian has said to close your stance a little bit.......You can turn your left foot out a bit.......

Many more I'm sure. For me though I feel that my backswing is similiar to JB Holmes....

 

[jenhaoyen]

I read once that Johnny Miller said when your left shoulder hits your chin, your backswing is complete. Think that is a fantastic guide as everyone has different levels of flexability.

I have limited flexability so that method frees me to know exactly when my backswing is complete.

Can you try to increase flexability? 100% yes! Many methods.

Brian has said to close your stance a little bit.......You can turn your left foot out a bit.......

Many more I'm sure. For me though I feel that my backswing is similiar to JB Holmes....

JB Holmes comes in mind for me as well.

 

[jimmyt]

JB Holmes comes in mind for me as well.

So I guess my point is that if your like me and you are happy with your distance then it just doesn't matter. I'm kind of built like JB thats probably why I developed that backswing model.

When your shoulder touches your chin your backswing is complete....

 

[sweetser]

I read once that Johnny Miller said when your left shoulder hits your chin, your backswing is complete.

IMO depends on where the chin is when the left shoulder hits it.

 

[jimmyt]

IMO depends on where the chin is when the left shoulder hits it.

Take it up with Johnny Miller, I was only stating what I read.....However I don't see how that has any bearing.

 

[jenhaoyen]

if your head is tilted your chin could end up on your left or right side.

 

[DCgolf]

All things equal, the more you turn the more the bottom of the arc moves back. So if you're not steep or late, you're probably fine. More turn is not just a distance thing, it's a Path and angle issue mostly.

 

[66er]

DCgolf, you couldn't elaborate on your post could you? I'm very flexible but I don't turn to the maximum of my capability, bad idea?

 

[Kevin Shields]

DCgolf, you couldn't elaborate on your post could you? I'm very flexible but I don't turn to the maximum of my capability, bad idea?

What he means is if your impact is shallow or your path is in to out, turning more might be a bad idea. Jen might be a little backed up into impact, hence the under turn.

 

[DCgolf]

Yep Kevin nailed it. You can't simply decide to "turn more" without changing some other things.

 

[Lindsey Newman]

Kevin and DC are spot on in my opinion. Turning your shoulders and pivot in general is more about positioning than distance.

 

[66er]

Ok, in ideas brian stresses the back to the target, to help prevent the tug right? Is it back to target To get people to turn as much as they can or it's fine as long as back is to the target no more required(if possible) ?

 

[Lindsey Newman]

I think you hand have to reach an adequate position via arm lift and turn to have a chance to get a correct hand path. So, enough turn to get the hands deep enough.

 

[matt kluck]

Good Response

Lindsey,
You are right on regarding the depth.
I hope you are holing a lot of putts.
Best,
Matt

 

[jenhaoyen]

What he means is if your impact is shallow or your path is in to out, turning more might be a bad idea. Jen might be a little backed up into impact, hence the under turn.

I used to have a really up right swing with really arms only. If i turn anymore it would become a disaster. An upright swing with an under rotated left arm. I would have to lay off the club first then try to tumble it over. It lead to lots of pull hooks with the driver and long irons.

Now with the flatter swing I could easily rotate or coil so to speak. What I never really understood is how the arms and the body works together. With all the new release information I could work my way back from the release to my backswing. It was a big misunderstanding from over working on the soft draw pattern.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

If you don't turn back enough most won't get their arms deep enough and it makes creating a good path hard to do.