How to shorten backswing armswing

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I'm looking for some suggestions on how I can shorten my armswing on the backswing. I've always had the type of backswing where the right elbow gets behind me and points basically perpendicular to the target line at the top. The angle between the left arm and shoulder goes to almost zero. Basically, the triangle turns to mush:( I can play this way (2.6 USGA Index), but I'd much rather have a backswing where the triangle remains more intact at the top. One result of this mushy triangle is that my right elbow gets trapped behind the right hip in the downswing.

At my last lesson, my instructor suggested that proper application of "extensor action" should do the trick. He wants me to "feel like" the right arm tries to stay straight, applying pressure to the left arm, keeping it straight and away from the right shoulder (of course, it will bend approx. 90 degrees). Interestingly, my previous instructor wanted me to bend the right elbow very early...a totally opposite approach.

Since my last lesson, I've been working on applying extensor action, with only marginal improvement. My golfing brain seems to be very stubborn. It thinks it knows where the arms/hands should be at the top and won't be persuaded otherwise [:eek:)]

The only way I can seem to make a shorter backswing is to "imagine" half a backswing (still getting a 90 degree shoulder turn though). The problem with that is convincing the pivot to make a full speed move through the downswing. When I do this properly though, the right elbow clears the right hip nicely, producing more lag and a flatter left wrist at impact - which is what I'm looking for.

Thanks for the help,
 

Brian Manzella

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You DO NOT WANT a long turn and short arm swing....

what you'll get is SLACK....

NG (<stands for No Good).

What you really need is a right forearm takeaway.

I suggest Manzella Video Short #4
 
Let your right forearm lift and pull the club back, up, and in. Keeping it tight, let your right hip pull it back down with closed shoulders.
Next.....
 
NG?

So what's with so many teachers/pros getting all horny about it then?

Vijay has talked about shortening his swing, getting more control and more distance too.

Lots of guys talk about shortening or "tightening" their swings...what are they doin then?

Is it possible that they've discovered hitting for some of their irons?
 
Brian,

I'll check out VS #4...thanks.

You say I don't want a short armswing? When I say short, I don't mean short like Allen Doyle or Dana Quigley. Maybe I'm not describing this properly.

Referring to the video of your swing at the bottom of your post - wouldn't you describe your armswing as short (...or tight - controlled)? Your hands never get close to your head - the triangle remaining nicely intact. A face-on video of my swing would show my hands getting all the way back to my head (i.e. collapsed triangle).
 

EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by birdie_man

NG?

So what's with so many teachers/pros getting all horny about it then?

Vijay has talked about shortening his swing, getting more control and more distance too.

Lots of guys talk about shortening or "tightening" their swings...what are they doin then?

Is it possible that they've discovered hitting for some of their irons?

They are learning to keep their hands and chest in the proper relationship through hip to hip or longer.

Kostis did a swingvision clip on this with VJ. The 'spoke' [8D]
 

Burner

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quote:Originally posted by tbarbertab

Brian,

I'll check out VS #4...thanks.

You say I don't want a short armswing? When I say short, I don't mean short like Allen Doyle or Dana Quigley. Maybe I'm not describing this properly.

Referring to the video of your swing at the bottom of your post - wouldn't you describe your armswing as short (...or tight - controlled)? Your hands never get close to your head - the triangle remaining nicely intact. A face-on video of my swing would show my hands getting all the way back to my head (i.e. collapsed triangle)

Check out Matthew's suggestion re. extensor action.
 
Burner,

I have read quite a lot about extensor action, including 6-B-1-D in TGM. I am working on this in my swing now. It just seems like no matter how hard I push with the right arm, the momentum of the left arm/club overpowers it. I'll keep working on it...

Thanks
 

EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by tbarbertab

Burner,

I have read quite a lot about extensor action, including 6-B-1-D in TGM. I am working on this in my swing now. It just seems like no matter how hard I push with the right arm, the momentum of the left arm/club overpowers it. I'll keep working on it...

Thanks

As Steve Martin once said.... "get small"

That is to say, move back to chip, pitch, punch, full. Don't move along the chain until you know the first steps.

Chip - ball back, hands ahead, forward leaning downward impact
Pitch - your hands are exactly like a child on a swing
Punch - think 'hands ahead' and 'low' - the bend right wrist, the magic of the right forearm.
Full - total balance, full body supported impact

'click'

thin wide divots
 
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