How to swing a club - top ten
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Brian Manzella
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Hit the inside-aft quadrant of the ball on the way down with the clubface slightly open.
Brian Manzella
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EdZ...You want really complex answers? yes?
I know as much about the golf swing as anyone, anywhere.
I post short and sweet, cause long post NEVER get read.
But if you want to get impressed, or steal a little of my hard learn info, or both-----cool.
Fire away....and ask something good....you only will get one of these from me.
I know as much about the golf swing as anyone, anywhere.
I post short and sweet, cause long post NEVER get read.
But if you want to get impressed, or steal a little of my hard learn info, or both-----cool.
Fire away....and ask something good....you only will get one of these from me.
Why is it that people always want to complicate things[?][V]. A good and simple answer was given.
Maybe a rule should be introduced to this forum of :
Don't question an answer without giving some conscious thought to it first.
EdZ,
I think Brian is giving all the information needed to get a beginner started on the right path to a good golfswing. He has repeatedly stated elsewhere and here that one needs to gain a certain level of mastery in clubface control first and foremost.
LOL,LOL.
The PGA.
What have they done to help the hapless hacker.
EdZ, short answers are the most helpful. Brian's answers are among the best for that reason. I can't carry a three page dissertation up to the golf ball for the next shot. I think that is effective teaching. Real complex knowledge distilled into a usable piece of information. I have coached another sport for 34 years and am considered competent at it. I know I better make my point quickly to get it done.
cherrybarry
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but your preferences are not universal
cherrybarry
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I like what BM said: "Simplicity by Omission".
Or Kelley: "Complexity is far more acceptable and workable than mystery is."
Complex and comprehensiveness means knowing what to do and how to do it, because you understand every aspect of the swing.
Complex doesn't mean --> Think about everything during the swing.
And it doesn't mean to make things complex for the sake of making it complex. It means making it complex so you can understand it. Ironic? No, because once you understand how everything in the golf swing works, it is no longer an enigma and the game becomes simple.
INITIAL simplicity without complexity leads to confusion and mystery.
And I did not say BM should give complex answers. Frankly, I don't care, but simplicity as in short cuts and quick fixes doesn't work.
But simplicity as in an efficient and usable knowledge of the swing that is a result of a comphrensive and complex perception of the swing is powerful.
Unnecessary complexity leads to bad golf, but complexity which produces a more simplified knowledge of the swing in the end leads to great golf.
And your "theorem" that the more complex your knowledge of the game, the higher your handicap is BS. Go tell that to Bobby Clampett or Steve Elkington, or even Brian Manzella, who should shoot 150 and blame it on his complex knowledge of the swing.
redan
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Then again, to play [}]'s advocate if I may, there is Chuck Evans' profile signature: "Demanding that golf instruction be kept simple does not make it simple - only incomplete and ineffective".
Homer Kelley I take Brian's mode of answering as a STYLE. As an old dog trying to learn new tricks, I have found that instructors who understand and present TGM principles most helpful. Hebron, Evans, Laville, Doyle, Manzella have different styles, slightly different emphasis, but (nearly) identical principles. Short parables and riddles and gnomic utterances are wonderful, because they are easy to forget! if it is not something I'm working on or concerned with right now, but also easy to remember, if it is....
]'s advocate if I may, there is Chuck Evans' profile signature: "Demanding that golf instruction be kept simple does not make it simple - only incomplete and ineffective". Homer Kelley I take Brian's mode of answering as a STYLE. As an old dog trying to learn new tricks, I have found that instructors who understand and present TGM principles most helpful. Hebron, Evans, Laville, Doyle, Manzella have different styles, slightly different emphasis, but (nearly) identical principles. Short parables and riddles and gnomic utterances are wonderful, because they are easy to forget! if it is not something I'm working on or concerned with right now, but also easy to remember, if it is....
I have only one request Brian. Get over the ego. And by that I'm honestly not trying to insult you. You know about the swing. Lots of people do, including myself. I have yet to see anything that makes you any better than others. If you want to be able to get through to people, you need to back off the ego, and explain more of the 'how' and 'why'. Short and sweet works well in person, when you can see and adjust to the student, and find just the right thing to say (THE art of teaching).
And if you care to, please answer my original question. Show me something that proves that the face is THE effect on initial direction, because in my book, it is a combination of path, plane/angle of attack, and clubface, plus speed/compression.
I don't disagree that the clubface has more relative effect that other factors, but I think you are doing people a disservice by claiming that it is THE factor.
It's about the game Brian..... let's help people play it better
It seems that even accomplished players work on a thing at a time. I think it is sound to work on a concept at a time. The simpler the concept is presented without oversimplification or omission, the better. Maybe trying to get better at the game and discussing the golf swing are two different activities with different goals. That would explain the discord on some forums. I like Brian's simple answers. If I didn't understand why something he stated was viable, I can ask.
If ones knowledge of the golfswing is correct and extensive how can one still consider it to be complex ?
Read my statement again. Where did I state that the more extensive your knowledge on the golfswing the higher your handicap.
You seem to want this game to be complex when it is not. Why ? Just because one does not fully understand the golfswing, does not make it complex, it just means you need to expand your knowledge so it becomes simple.
Honest question here. Are most people here teachers of golf or players of golf? As teachers, I think there is great value in esoteric discussion of the swing. I do that with others teachers in my sport. Successful outcome is still the prime directive in the discussion. Talking to a player is different. If the performance required is complex, and golf is certainly that the way I play it, then it is more necessary to change little behaviors quickly and move on to the next one. As a player of golf, I like Brian's explanations. From my small time on these forums, I feel like I have a golf ball on my head, Brian is holding the bow, and he's William Tell.
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