bennycoop9882
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I think he did pretty well at Carnoustie and Oakmont this year with top 15 finishes at both i believe. I'd say that's contending at tough tracks.
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birdie_man
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Every fairway and green in a competitive round this year...
Kevin Shields
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You're right. Maybe it's my imagination, but i just seem to think most major winners have that soft arm shot that is so critical at tougher venues. He looks like he goes full tilt on everything. Watch, he'll probably win two majors just to show how much i know
bennycoop9882
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You're right. Maybe it's my imagination, but i just seem to think most major winners have that soft arm shot that is so critical at tougher venues. He looks like he goes full tilt on everything. Watch, he'll probably win two majors just to show how much i know
I know what you mean with the full tilt on every swing type game. He's got a lot of shots with the irons though. He also plays that fade on most shots and hits the driver as good as anyone out there which will put him in contention alot. I think Nicklaus did pretty well with solid driving and a fade(I don't think Mahan is the next Nicklaus, just saying he's got some similarities that will serve him well). Really I think the thing that might hold him back just like most of the young guys other than Baddeley is the short game. Not enough imagination around the greens. Doesn't have that ridiculous touch. HIs putter doesn't seem to catch fire either. He could win some majors with his irons and driver and a good week of putting though.
Part of the reason he is able to swing left is because of a slightly stronger grip than neutral. He's keeping it inside prior to impact but using a ton of body turn to keep his left arm pinned. The result is that the club is going toward the target just long enough for contact and then comming well inside after impact. Same type of swing I used to make as a junior and before I learned a good full release.
tongzilla
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Hogan had a pretty weak grip yet he still swung left after impact.
He was also on a lot flatter plane. Still didn't take it as far left as Mr. Mahan does.
Ever notice how much Ben lined up his lower body to the right and his upper body to the left? He did come accross his body and hit pulls that went straight. I don't think Ben had a "model" swing. He had a good swing that he knew how to work.
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your talking about when he swings a driver. you would always see him with a slightly closed stance with his driver, with the shoulders fairly square. this alowed him to hit powerful, drawing drives that started to the right, and draw back.
but as he moved down clubs, his stance got progresivly(?) squarer and eventually open with the wedges, all the while his shoulders remained square. sam snead was similar i believe.
addam smith has lots of vids of DTL hogan with various clubs and you can tell from the club he is hitting, where his stance is aiming, and where the ball starts of. you can see how this changes between clubs.
BTW lets not make this another hogan debate please
Jim Kobylinski
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Sorry, both use the elbow plane on the downswing. Try again.
What does elbow plan on the downswing have to do with how far left after impact he swings?
mjstrong
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my interpretation
Jim's referring to your comment about having a flatter swing resulting in the ability to swing left despite a weaker grip. Since they both used the same plane coming into impact, thus no difference in the ability to swing left based on that plane.
Jim, would the stronger grip then allow him to swing further left?
Jim's referring to your comment about having a flatter swing resulting in the ability to swing left despite a weaker grip. Since they both used the same plane coming into impact, thus no difference in the ability to swing left based on that plane.
Jim, would the stronger grip then allow him to swing further left?
Kevin Shields
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I think his stronger grip requires that he be way more open at impact than hogan.
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The flatter your plane ANGLE, the more IN the club comes from—on the way to impact, and the more IN it goes AFTER impact..
A VERTICAL PLANE is Dave Pelz' "perfy" robot... straight back-straight though.
The flatter your plane ANGLE, the more IN the club comes from—on the way to impact, and the more IN it goes AFTER impact..
A VERTICAL PLANE is Dave Pelz' "perfy" robot... straight back-straight though.
tongzilla
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Explain this Brian:
Tom B uses the TSP at impact and swings to the left (more IN) more rapidly after impact than Mike F who uses the Elbow Plane. According to the above, it should be the other way around.
Tom B uses the TSP at impact and swings to the left (more IN) more rapidly after impact than Mike F who uses the Elbow Plane. According to the above, it should be the other way around.
Brian Manzella
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Dat's cuz....Cuz:
Mike swing "draws" a more-out-to-right-field plane line, than Tom.
Mike swing "draws" a more-out-to-right-field plane line, than Tom.
birdie_man
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Mike plays a draw mostly....Tom plays a fade?
Brian Manzella
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Yup.
birdie_man
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It always been pretty much that way? Or has it evolved?
Mike.....Tom........or Brian if you can speak for them (as an elder advisor, perHAPS)......do you feel like you've more or less "settled" on playing these predominant flights? (perhaps you've found you just play better this way?) Or no?
Mike.....Tom........or Brian if you can speak for them (as an elder advisor, perHAPS)......do you feel like you've more or less "settled" on playing these predominant flights? (perhaps you've found you just play better this way?) Or no?
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