I Can't Figure This Out!

[JThompson]

I have looked at this some more and wonder if I need some tumble instead of carry?

Ok..Carry and Tumble nub here. Can someone link me to a thread that speaks of these two are? I have searched and found vague info on either.

One thing about the face on driver swing posted. . . Doesn't it seem like jbrunks release is a smidge early? Ideally, wouldn't you want a little more forward shaft lean and MORE axis tilt?

 

[Kevin Shields]

He dumps it because he kinda missed his delivery line and has to dump it to find the ball. Sounds worse than it is.

 

[dannyc]

Ok..Carry and Tumble nub here. Can someone link me to a thread that speaks of these two are? I have searched and found vague info on either.

One thing about the face on driver swing posted. . . Doesn't it seem like jbrunks release is a smidge early? Ideally, wouldn't you want a little more forward shaft lean and MORE axis tilt?

the carry: explained in detail in NHA 2.0 Never Slice Again 2
tumble:
http://www.brianmanzella.com/forum/golfing-discussions/12373-my-lesson-brian.html

 

[jbrunk]

Because you unwind as you make your move left. This leaves your hands high and then you slip back under it late. Carry is more for people who drop under it early and get underneath. People who get under it late are a different story.

IMO you need to narrow your stance and stay closed as you fall into the left side. This could help you turn or tumble that sweetspot out sooner and get the handle a little more down and in.

Kevin,

I tried this today and it was instantly better with the irons. Much easier to get to the ball. Driver is a different story as I was hitting pulls and pull hooks. Is this an axis tilt issue with driver?

 

[spktho]

That's a good question. How do you guard against closing the face too much with the tumble?

 

[HOT CHILLI]

Because you unwind as you make your move left. This leaves your hands high and then you slip back under it late. Carry is more for people who drop under it early and get underneath. People who get under it late are a different story.

IMO you need to narrow your stance and stay closed as you fall into the left side. This could help you turn or tumble that sweetspot out sooner and get the handle a little more down and in.

So you can swing left and be underplane (path clubhead over and then under the ball to save impact),
"staying closed as you fall into the left side" - drop the hands before unwind (pivot) without swing way to the right?

Everytime I or someone else hits what they or someone else has described a "push fade" or an "underplane block fade", Trackman always has a path too far left. Its got an underplane feel, but its a dragged outside in swipe with an open face causing the intial direction to the right. Thats why I feel it is tough to be underplane without swinging way left or hitting it fat.

Basically you want to start the clubhead in path that is less outside, just swing more to the right without being underplane?

The fix is to get the club out from underneath the hands so you dont have to drag it left in order to hit the ball before the ground. It changed the way I look at inside out vs. underplane. Its hard to fix the face first if you have an out left arm and a high right forearm. Lots of twist arching of the left wrist.

"The fix is to get the club out from underneath the hands"? please explain.

Reverse from out, high hands and high handle/low clubhead and learn to have a more vertical handpath and tumble the clubhead out above or equal to the hands. Without losing pressure to early.

Kevin please If you have time, maybe a video will be great.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Kevin,

I tried this today and it was instantly better with the irons. Much easier to get to the ball. Driver is a different story as I was hitting pulls and pull hooks. Is this an axis tilt issue with driver?

Could very well be the case.

 

[Kevin Shields]

That's a good question. How do you guard against closing the face too much with the tumble?

Good question. Alot of people who need this have it closed already in their hands so when it dumps under its a safeguard for not opening too much. When you learn to tumble the sweetspot properly you are more likely to move the face to orthodox in your grip.

 

[Kevin Shields]

HOT CHILI, you're probably right. With Brian's permission, maybe a video short could be in order on this topic.

 

[MikeD2]

Jbrunk, for what it's worth, I really like the dragging of the right foot just because Hogan did it.

 

[jbrunk]

Kevin,

I tried this today and it was instantly better with the irons. Much easier to get to the ball. Driver is a different story as I was hitting pulls and pull hooks. Is this an axis tilt issue with driver?

Ok, I went to the range today and did some more work on vid. I suk. I thought I was staying closed and I wasn't. That leads me to ask what needs to stay closed longer, the hips, or shoulders or both? I need another visual to help me understand.

This game is so frustrating. I can see on my high speed the moment I get under it. It starts down ok and then I can see the face opening, my hips spinning open like mad and my hands/arms knowing it. Then I throw out to reach the ball.

Thanks

 

[Kevin Shields]

IMO, if you have enough hip turn and are light on your left foot, you'll be less likely to tug your shoulders in the transition and get some slide/fall while retaing some turn. As Brian says, "let the air out of your arms"

 

[jbrunk]

IMO, if you have enough hip turn and are light on your left foot, you'll be less likely to tug your shoulders in the transition and get some slide/fall while retaing some turn. As Brian says, "let the air out of your arms"

I don't get this.

Are we talking hip bump like in Soft Draw?

 

[greenfree]

Ok, I went to the range today and did some more work on vid. I suk. I thought I was staying closed and I wasn't. That leads me to ask what needs to stay closed longer, the hips, or shoulders or both? I need another visual to help me understand.

This game is so frustrating. I can see on my high speed the moment I get under it. It starts down ok and then I can see the face opening, my hips spinning open like mad and my hands/arms knowing it. Then I throw out to reach the ball.

Thanks

Your setup off balance, too bent over. Most of your upper body/ weight is over your toe line, with straightish legs. Posture problem.

 

[vjsinger]

I don't get this.

Are we talking hip bump like in Soft Draw?

He's saying you need to let the arms fall into the slot on the DS. This is the hardest thing for me to feel as well. IMO, the first place you need to look is in your right arm and elbow. For you maybe, locating it in the right spot EARLY might be best for your transition and swing. My 2 cents.