I dont know why

[shootin4par]

I am working on just a few things in my swing. The pivot, role of the arms and set up. Working on the pivot is easy so no problem there. but the biggest problem I am having is set up. I got the grip good but what I do not like is my tush line at address. My butt sticks out behind my heels about six inches and my knee flex barely goes past my ankles. WHen I look at other pros I dont see anyone who has their arse sticking out as far as mine. I would like to get my arse closer to my heels. By having this tush line too far back I believe that is one reason I am coming up out of my spine angle because if I do a perfect pivot I would fall backwards. I know what is wrong, I can see what is wrong, but for some reason cannot get my body to set up with my arse closer to my heels. This also has the butt end of the club over the balls of my feet instead of closer to the toes. Jim gave a a drill and I worked on that some but when I put it on camera still the same problem, how do I stop the arse from going back to far?

 

[Tom Bartlett]

Are you bending over a lot? If so standing up taller would help. A couple of guys that were pretty good that looked like that...George Archer and Bob Tway come to mind.

 

[shootin4par]

Are you bending over a lot? If so standing up taller would help. A couple of guys that were pretty good that looked like that...George Archer and Bob Tway come to mind.

I do not really bend over a lot, close to sergio in that regard. actually I think I just figured it out after meditating on it, hogan would be proud

seems when I bend over and add my knee flex I was adding the knee flex the wrong way. when I added my knee flex previously I would just move the tops of my thighs down. that woudl keep the lower leg looking almost the same as before, pretty much straight up and down, but the upper leg would have too much angle, kind of like sitting into the knee flex. If the knee cap is the center of a clock, previously The lower leg would have the angle of about 6:30, the upper leg would go to about 10:30. So I think what I should be doing is adding the knee flex by lettting the knee caps go out and that will change the angle of both the lower and upper leg equally. lower leg go to 7:00 and upper go to 11:00

so what I was thinking was that our pivot point in the golf swing goes aroud our heels because our spine is pretty much in line with our heels. but by getting the butt too far away from my heels when i started turning to the top my body would subconsciously get itself back to the pivot point by raising out of my tush line, so the butt gets back closer to the heel instead of being too far away from it like it was at address. I got into the butt too far behind the heels because someone early on told me about sittting down at address, well when sitting in a char our lower legs hang straight down and upper legs are 90*, now I was not at 90* at address but you get the point
sound about right?
thanks
neil

 

[Spike]

I do not really bend over a lot, close to sergio in that regard. actually I think I just figured it out after meditating on it, hogan would be proud

seems when I bend over and add my knee flex I was adding the knee flex the wrong way. when I added my knee flex previously I would just move the tops of my thighs down. that woudl keep the lower leg looking almost the same as before, pretty much straight up and down, but the upper leg would have too much angle, kind of like sitting into the knee flex. If the knee cap is the center of a clock, previously The lower leg would have the angle of about 6:30, the upper leg would go to about 10:30. So I think what I should be doing is adding the knee flex by lettting the knee caps go out and that will change the angle of both the lower and upper leg equally. lower leg go to 7:00 and upper go to 11:00

so what I was thinking was that our pivot point in the golf swing goes aroud our heels because our spine is pretty much in line with our heels. but by getting the butt too far away from my heels when i started turning to the top my body would subconsciously get itself back to the pivot point by raising out of my tush line, so the butt gets back closer to the heel instead of being too far away from it like it was at address. I got into the butt too far behind the heels because someone early on told me about sittting down at address, well when sitting in a char our lower legs hang straight down and upper legs are 90*, now I was not at 90* at address but you get the point
sound about right?
thanks
neil

Yes.
Don't cha love it when you can figure it out on your own!

 

[shootin4par]

so I checked this out on the camera and I did get my butt closer to my heels
now for my next set up issue, my arms on a six iron do not hang straight down from my shoulder but about a hand width outside my shoulders. and my arms clubshaft are pretty close to straight. What I realized is that I rest my triceps on top of my pec muscles, but when setting up in a mirror if I have them squeeze my pecs, then do brians golf arms set up drill, my arms now hang straight down. So are the tricips supposed to squeeze the pecs or rest on top of them? Just trying to get my setup PERFECT
thanks
neil

 

[Spike]

s4p,

I like the right upper arm to the side of the pectoral muscle with a slightly bent right elbow that points at the right hip. This gives me a very firm awareness of the #1 pressure point at address. The left arm is also at the side but just a little higher on the pectoral muscle. I really feel the #2 pressure point at address well before I bend at the hips to establish spine angle and tilt.

Address check list:

left wrist on top of shaft
left wrist paralell to the leading edge of te clubface (for straight shot)
shaft points to center of hips
elbows point at their respective hips
spine angle and tilt (established according to club being used)
shoulders, hips, knees, feet paralell to taget line.

works for me

 

[shootin4par]

s4p,

I like the right upper arm to the side of the pectoral muscle with a slightly bent right elbow that points at the right hip. This gives me a very firm awareness of the #1 pressure point at address. The left arm is also at the side but just a little higher on the pectoral muscle. I really feel the #2 pressure point at address well before I bend at the hips to establish spine angle and tilt.

Address check list:

left wrist on top of shaft
left wrist paralell to the leading edge of te clubface (for straight shot)
shaft points to center of hips
elbows point at their respective hips
spine angle and tilt (established according to club being used)
shoulders, hips, knees, feet paralell to taget line.

works for me

thanks for the response spike, I am a little confused about your sensation of pressure points, #1 is heel of right hand, #2 is last 3 fingers of left hand. can you go a little more into detail on feeling the pressure? I dont quite follow how the bent right elbow helps you to feel number 1
and with number two are you saying you have a push down feeling at address with the left heelpad?

 

[Spike]

thanks for the response spike, I am a little confused about your sensation of pressure points, #1 is heel of right hand, #2 is last 3 fingers of left hand. can you go a little more into detail on feeling the pressure? I dont quite follow how the bent right elbow helps you to feel number 1
and with number two are you saying you have a push down feeling at address with the left heelpad?

I include the heel pad of the left hand as part of #2pp. When the shaft is in line with the center of the hips the weight of the clubhead pushes against the heel pad of the left hand. This is a centered kind of balance i feel before bending at the hip sockets and establishing spine angle/tilt.

At address I push ever so slightly down on the heel pad of #2pp and also to the right against the shaft and the opposite force of the #1pp. This does a number of things.....it not only causes the elbows to align to the hips but it balances the club between the arms which allow my arms to hang without the muscular strength of pulling with the fingers.

When the right arm is straight at address the feel of #1pp is a bit high at the wrist and thumb area. Using this area as a point of connection will create the tendecy of the right elbow to point outside the right hip. This straight right arm can quite possibly cause the shoulders to be too level at address cancelling out spine tilt. This can also be the cause of a more upward takeaway rather than level and backward move.

By feeling the heel pad of the right hand the tendency is that the right elbow will want to rotate more down and maybe a bit in creating a small angle in the elbow. This small angle in the right arm will give you some time and space to begin the takeaway move wherein the clubhead can stay low until the right arm moves toward straight.

make any sense?

 

[shootin4par]

ok, now it makes sense,
thank you for taking your time. In yoga class we are learning of organic energy, lengthening of bones away from the center of your body. that type of energy is supposed to give us better balance than just all muscle energy alone. Seems as if your description is based on the same principles, just with different words.
thanks
neil

 

[shootin4par]

another question
at set up hogan had his right hip lower then his left, what is the main purpose of that, is this something most pros do. So at address, should the middle of hips be about center or a little ahead?

 

[Bill Miracle]

Hey Spike!

s4p,


Address check list:

left wrist on top of shaft
left wrist paralell to the leading edge of te clubface (for straight shot)
shaft points to center of hips
elbows point at their respective hips
spine angle and tilt (established according to club being used)
shoulders, hips, knees, feet paralell to taget line.

works for me

Spike, I started another thread and asked you a couple of questions about the above quote. Can you help me out in that thread? Thanks!

 

[Spike]

another question
at set up hogan had his right hip lower then his left, what is the main purpose of that, is this something most pros do. So at address, should the middle of hips be about center or a little ahead?

For me it is very helpful for a level turn in the backswing. If the shaft is pointing to the center of the hips the ball will always be ahead of that center.

A hundred years ago Golf Digest made a "Model Swing" of about 100 pros. The finding was at that time....

Left shoulder 5" higher than right

Left hip 2.5" higher than right.....

.....with a driver.... if that helps...?