I just watched some of Tiger's swings today and.......

[grahler]

I think Tiger has made conscious decisions to change his swing over time. He decided first to leave Butch. Haney began the changes now Foley has changed it all.
I think the theme for his career is now change.
hmmm...I just watched the golf channel show when he came on with Butch when he was 24. Even then he was talking about how ugly his wedge swing follow through was on video and Butch was like what did you shoot 65? Tiger was like no 64.
Wedge swing follow through? oh yeah he almost holed it out but it was not aesthetically what he wanted.
Tiger was more interested in what it looked like on video than his control of the ball.
Now in his interviews he says a positive is hitting the ball further.
Back then he was proud to say his tee shots were getting better because he was controlled. Butch mentioned he specifically left 20 yards in the bag on his stock drive in order to have control. He had just slightly weakened his left hand grip like Hogan. Tiger mentioned he's a feel player just see the shot and hit it.

Ever since he left Butch it's been all downhill.
To me Tiger could not accept any bad shot at any time and even the good shots were criticized if he found them ugly. Tiger made the decisions of what direction to go with his swing and it just doesn't look like he had a plan.
He should have swallowed his pride and stuck with Butch since Butch helped him from age 17.
No matter what Butch is in Tigers DNA.
To me, Tiger may have owned his swing by now if he could have had some patience and persistence.

I ask this: How many majors would he have right now if he had stuck with his natural Butch swing all this time-he could let go see the flag and hit it I'd bet.
I just think it kinda shows why some people are built to play and some are built to help engineer golf swings. Tiger is a player who thinks he's a swing guru.

 

[Richie3Jack]

Here are some more swings from the PGA

Tiger Woods Swing 2011 PGA - YouTube

Backswing looks good here, but it looks like he's swing well out to the right. Not sure with the camera angle. I know he's been trying to hit up with the driver as well, but it looks like the swing direction and path are going well right here.





3JACK

 

[Dariusz J.]

Losing his tush line, jumping out of shoes, throwing arms in front of the body, pivot stall. Problems. Good backswing indeed, despite lack of initial trigger which would help to fluent the motion.

Cheers

 

[ej20]

The video above is taken at an angle where the swing will look more underplane than it is.

Here is a better video and I agree with Dariusz with the pivot stall.It's a very armsy and handsy looking release and two way misses are going to be on the cards.

TIGER WOODS PGA championship 2011- 12th hole 3rd shot-**TIGER TROUBLE** - YouTube

 

[ms1170]

I'll stick my neck out there and say I LIKED a lot of what I saw from Tiger this week. #1. he looks very healthy walking, and he seems to have his distance back. #2. He hit some very good irons, some of them a bit too far. I think he'll adjust his distance control pretty quickly. Now for the excuses. This is a very tough golf course for bomber, gauger, scrambler player. (Tiger, Phil, etc.) difficult lies in the bunkers, and so much water. You can't scramble from a pond. His bunker play was poor. A bunker swing is much more like a full swing than any other short game shot. His swing changes are probably what is giving him trouble in the sand. I think he'll adjust this.

 

[ej20]

Compare Tiger now to his 2000 swing.No hip stall through impact and no raising up of the pelvic area prematurely.Most of the great ballstrikers kept their hips very level through the strike.The only great ballstriker that stood up at impact and humped the goat was Jack.

You don't see this exaggerated squat and jump action in his 2000 swing.

Tiger 2000 DTL - YouTube

 

[Dariusz J.]

The main culprits are:
- shitty directions of golf in general, i.e. whack the ball as far as possible, everything what's important is on greens, and similar bullshit;
- golf instruction influence in the most stupid idea one can get, i.e. subduing the motion of main body to the distal parts as the most desired which is the biggest joke one can imagine;
- shitty equipment of today that not only limits good ballstrikers but also do harm to average golfers.

Cheers

 

[jeffgladchun]

Well, one thing that needs to be considered is his health problems. Its likely that he may have been forced to learn a new way to swing if his old swing helped destroy his left leg.

 

[Robbohank]

He continues to hang his hat on distance imo. I'm pretty sure his "bulking-up" period was all about hitting it further too and even now the only positives he has are "I'm hitting it further... compressing it more.... just got to adjust to it". I love it when guys say they're hitting it better than ever yet posting what are certainly the worst scores of their career.

How about Frank Nobilo re-creating his bunker shot on 17 in street shoes, long-sleeved shirt, and a tie on and basically stuffing the same shot that Tiger dunked in the pond. All I could think of was "SCOREBOARD!" That little exhibition epimomizes Tigers 2011.

Time for some quality family time until 2012.

 

[Kevin Shields]

I think he's mistaking better compression for too delofted regarding his iron play. He's come full circle. Couldn't control the distance on his irions because he couldnt control speed and loft. Same thing only for a different reason.

 

[BertramSterling]

I'm no expert so I wouldn't presume this to be anything but a hackers view of it..

...but didn't Brian state somewhere here Tiger was swinging 10 degree inside out? I've no idea how long for, but you'd assume he was swinging out to the right to some degree for a long time. Thats a lot of swings between the range and everything else.

I'm not sure about you guys but I *feel* like I am swinging it pretty down the line. If I get on trackman and it turns out I'm swinging some crazy amount to the right, then down the middle now *feels* like way out to the left. And I've had a fraction of the number of swings Tiger has had to groove my 'version' of a straight path.

Must be pretty tough to swing on a path thats going to feel over the top and trust it to work. Probably much easier to trust it on the range, with a bucket of balls and no worldwide coverage, ready to jump on any errors. And apparently its all good away from a competitive round?

Also, wouldn't correcting a path that went 10 degrees inside out result in less of a glancing blow? And more distance?

Not making excuses for him here, don't really like the guy. Just my thoughts.

 

[wriordan]

TW is what I'd call Consciously Competent. It is evidenced by his NEVER once in a major coming from behind with a lights out round..while being a great front-runner. He's been playing Golf Swing since he started with John Anselmo back in jr. golf. He just happened to be Tiger "mutha%#$%ing" Woods steering it around...Golf's first Super-Athlete to play the game.
If he ever 'owned' the swing, he'd have at least once shot 61 on Sunday to run the leader down. No no..TW has been a position golfer since day 1. JMHO.

Only those applying for asperbergers certification should even attempt to "own" their swings; with all the quixotic obsessiveness that term implies. Put Tiger behind a tree 200 yards out and he'll still work the magic. Put him on a tee with a greenfield in front of him and he'll find that wild right to right or some nasty hook. Fire the swing coaches for a while and start concentrating on targets, not positions.

 

[lia41985]

I think he's mistaking better compression for too delofted regarding his iron play. He's come full circle. Couldn't control the distance on his irions because he couldnt control speed and loft. Same thing only for a different reason.

So true. Spin loft is a real bitch.

 

[lia41985]

Must be pretty tough to swing on a path thats going to feel over the top and trust it to work...Also, wouldn't correcting a path that went 10 degrees inside out result in less of a glancing blow?

Butch couldn't get Tiger to trust the TSP. Can you explain the reasoning built into your question? Wouldn't zeroes result in a less glancing blow intuitively?

 

[Virtuoso]

I think he's mistaking better compression for too delofted regarding his iron play. He's come full circle. Couldn't control the distance on his irions because he couldnt control speed and loft. Same thing only for a different reason.

Foley chasing the compression myth may bury Woods for a long time.

S&T does one thing very well: it gives amateurs who scoop from the outside a chance to hit down on irons from the inside. That about covers the attributes of S&T.

Not a good idea to use it on someone that always struggled swinging too far from the inside....and now he has no loft on the club either.

 

[lia41985]

I think he's mistaking better compression for too delofted regarding his iron play. He's come full circle. Couldn't control the distance on his irions because he couldnt control speed and loft. Same thing only for a different reason.

I guess you know a thing or two...

They talked swing changes. On the 10th hole, Woods admitted to “struggling with Sean (Foley),” his swing coach, saying, “I’ve been hitting my short irons so (expletive) far.” He went on to explain how he rarely took a divot with his short clubs under former coach Hank Haney, but now, though, “all of a sudden, I’m thinking divots.”

From: Truth & Rumors: Tiger and Rory talk swing changes, trade barbs in China

The previous motion obviously had its good points...like his ability from 6-iron down to just absolutely flag it.

From Sean Foley: Sean Foley Q&A: Exclusive interview with Tiger's coach - PGATOUR.COM