I need some help

[CarlSpackler]

Your hands seem like they are not even touching each other, let alone working as a unit. Might encourage flippiness.

 

[Mashie72]

Swing Centers, Path & Clubface

It seems strange to me that I can hold the flying wedge on chip shots, pitches, and now punch/knock down swings, but as soon as I do a full swing I lose the flying wedge.
What are the reasons that I can do a partial swing and hold the lag, but lose it on every full swing.

golfman5900,

To answer your question as you mosty likely guessed what I'd say is that you probably don't lose your head level on your partial shots but do on full speed shots...

But getting back to S&T parlance, it looks to me that your swing centers at the top and through the rest of the swing are slightly ahead of the ball..Therefore, your path is probably a little out to right field...Make sure you understand if you don't already that the clubface needs to be open to the the target but 1 or 2 degrees closed to the "in to out" path in S&T world for the draw shot...So, my guess is that this might be where your flip is coming into play as well feeling that you need to square the clubace more after a couple of pushes...

So as a drill, experiment with your stacked swing centers behind the ball to see if you can start the ball left of the target and fade it back..Then go back to stacked centers ahead of the ball with an open clubface to the target and hit draws

Hope it helps,

Mashie72

 

[jeffreycharris]

I am certainly not as swing-educated as many on this site, so with that said. . . just buy Never Slice Again!!! That pattern helped me to really release it, without any flip. I think it's called a full roll release, and if you do it, you will not flip and you will compress the ball with much less effort. . .at least that's how it worked for me. I, in no way, get commission for NSA (although I recommend it to every flipper I know), but I must say, I learned more from it than all the other swing stuff I have tried or read in the last ten years. It may not work for your problems (although to me it sounds like it would) but it changed my ball striking and swing in drastic ways. When I learned to release correctly, the rest of body followed suit. . . I don't know if that is how it was designed, but for me, it was magic! Anyway, you are certainly in the right place for help.

 

[golfman5900]

Ok I will give a few of these suggestions a shot.

 

[cmartingolf]

I think your lower body is too far out ahead of yourself at impact. The only way to hit any of the back of the ball is to throw it away a little. That S&T address is fine i guess but you need to at least try to start turning on that left hip and getting your right shoulder more toward the ball. I think your trying to cheat a little to get your compression, by sliding.

I think you are over-doing the S&T address. Like Kevin says, you are too far ahead at impact and thus too inside out, so you flip a little. Your left shoulder socket should be more above the ball at impact.

Your wrist hinge is awkward. Your left hand grip doesn't appear to be under the heel pad, or you don't allow our right wrist to relax back enough (injury?).

Although I'm a big fan of lagging club head takeaway to stress the shaft in the transition, I think you might benefit from using the preset drill a little. You have tremendous shoulder turn but limited wrist cock? Preset the the wrist cock and hit some shots. It will help you sync up impact without the slide.

 

[golfman5900]

Ok, I have some more footage this time guys. I was really just trying out my new camera, so I wasn't really trying to do the stack and tilt stuff on this one. Once again, I'm just in the backyard swinging around. The only thing I was thinking of was keeping pressure on the bottom pad of my right index finger. You'll probably notice some differences between in this swing from my S&T swing (I removed some postings, but the 8 iron and driver are still up on youtube). Mostly I made no real effort to side tilt and extend my spine in the backswing, resulting in my upper body being tilted away from the target at the top of my backswing. My swing has always been very flat naturally, I've had a couple of instructors try to make it more upright, but it always feels like I have to manipulate my swing by lifting my arms and I was never comfortable with it (this is one of the reasons I went to S&T).

I am working on maintaining my lag and will post some new videos in a couple of days. Hopefully they'll show me holding my lag better. And in response to cmartingolf, I don't have any wrist injuries, but I've been looking at my swing videos (some really old ones) and I never fully set them. I don't grip the club tightly (I make sure of that) and I don't know why they don't set naturally. I can force them to set pretty easily....but it feels, well...forced....if it works better though I'll go with it! I've never really paid much attention to them not setting.

Anyways here's the video:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ4yzGCpX0Y[/media]

And if you want to see any of my other videos:
YouTube - Golfman5900's Channel

Thanks again guys!

 

[birdie_man]

My swing has always been very flat naturally, I've had a couple of instructors try to make it more upright, but it always feels like I have to manipulate my swing by lifting my arms and I was never comfortable with it (this is one of the reasons I went to S&T).

Absolutely the same deal for me. Upright always felt very very weird and produced shanks. Not anymore though. (it has been a slow transition) If you are not hitting hooks though...

Where is your ball going? Normal flight? Can you fade it well?

Your pivot looks better here. S&T articles always say they are based on Ben Hogan's swing..........your pivot in your latest clip looks a lot more like Hogan than any of the S&T stuff.

Your swing isn't far from being "Soft Draw" BTW. Soft Draw would probably be a very easy transition for you. And I figure it probably wouldn't be bad for you to get your hands higher by the end of your backswing.

I am working on maintaining my lag and will post some new videos in a couple of days. Hopefully they'll show me holding my lag better.

You should try a lagging clubhead takeaway.....try to bend the shaft at the top. Try to feel it bend. You might not end up with Sergio lag (or be meant for it) so don't kill yourself trying if it isn't working out. (many have tried golfman)

It won't kill you to try...but it's not a big deal if you can't. You can end up with the same impact conditions as Sergio regardless of how early you start to release it anyhow.

Good to see a crazy snow-golfer BTW.

 

[golfman5900]

Thanks Birdie_man, I'll give your suggestions a shot.

My ball flight is pretty straight, although it does favor a draw. Sometimes I can fade the ball, but to do it I feel I have to manipulate my swing whereas the draw just happens. Even though my swing is pretty flat I really don't hook it very much, although sometimes I do smother it and hit a pull draw. Generally though, if I'm going to miss it anywhere it would be a push out right.

I'm still having some difficulties deciding on whether to go with S&T or not. I really like a lot of the concepts, but my biggest problem is that there are virtually no instructors of S&T/TGM where I live. The nearest one is about 820km away....so it wouldn't exactly be easy to see him. On the other hand there are some pretty good local teachers who teach the more traditional swing techniques. I have started reading 5 lessons, and it's neat how many similarities there are between Hogan's swing and the S&T swing.

As for being a crazy snow golfer....guilty as charged! I can't wait for the local winter golf camp to start up!