I thought if you did this you'd hook every shot...
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Archie Swivel
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Isn't the geometry here pretty simple? If you swing under plane (in to out), say, 8 degrees and you have the clubhead rolling over at impact 4 degrees closed what kind of ball flight would you get?- a push draw, not a hook, right?
Michael Finney
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yes, if you're saying the clubface is 4 degrees closed in relation to the 8 degrees "in to out" path, then you would hit a push draw.....
if you are saying that the clubface is 4 degrees closed at separation in relation to the target line with an 8 degree "in to out" path, then you're talking about a fairly violent pull hook...
if you are saying that the clubface is 4 degrees closed at separation in relation to the target line with an 8 degree "in to out" path, then you're talking about a fairly violent pull hook...
Archie Swivel
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Good point. I should have clarified whether the reference line was the target line or the swing path. I guess if the swing path is 8* under plane, the clubface could be 4* open to the target line and 4* closed to the path and not cause a violent hook.
But my point is that this all about compensations. A full roll with a swing path that is, say, 2* over-the-top may get you in trouble unless your clubface is square to the target line (or 2* open to the path) at impact.
Michael Finney
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simply stated - if your face at separation and path match you get straight shots - sometimes straight pulls, sometimes straight pushes, sometimes straight at the pin........
if they don't match, then you have some compression leakage because the ball rolls sideways along the face during the impact interval, which creates spin, which creates shots that fly crookedly, which creates bogeys or in some cases double bogeys
if they don't match, then you have some compression leakage because the ball rolls sideways along the face during the impact interval, which creates spin, which creates shots that fly crookedly, which creates bogeys or in some cases double bogeys
Archie Swivel
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Mike,
(1)When you try to hit a fade, do you hit a "push fade"-- come under plane with a square-to-the-path clubface?
Or do you come over-the-top with an open-to-the path clubface?
(2) I am getting in comfort zone of when I have trouble to the left, I aim down the left side of the fairway and try to hit a straight push. My miss is when I come under plane 4 or 5 degrees instead of 1-3 degrees, but the miss is right.
If I have trouble to the right, I will line up straight and come over-the-top just a hair.
Otherwise, I just try to hit dead on with a square face.
Do you tinker with your path like this?
(1)When you try to hit a fade, do you hit a "push fade"-- come under plane with a square-to-the-path clubface?
Or do you come over-the-top with an open-to-the path clubface?
(2) I am getting in comfort zone of when I have trouble to the left, I aim down the left side of the fairway and try to hit a straight push. My miss is when I come under plane 4 or 5 degrees instead of 1-3 degrees, but the miss is right.
If I have trouble to the right, I will line up straight and come over-the-top just a hair.
Otherwise, I just try to hit dead on with a square face.
Do you tinker with your path like this?
Michael Finney
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To hit a fade, I rotate the face open at address (without changing my grip). After it's open, I rotate my stance to the left until the face is then again square to my target. I then swing along my stance line. Sometimes it works...sometimes it doesn't.
palmreader
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Look like Bubba never took a golf lesson...., and never will.
http://www.pga.com/news/tours/pga-tour/watsoninterview030106.cfm
http://www.pga.com/news/tours/pga-tour/watsoninterview030106.cfm
birdie_man
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I think it is what he's talking about. In that clip that was posted here a while back he briefly demonstrated a flip and that that's not what you should be doing.
ThomasTheTank
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jim_0068 said:
Please plese explain this further to me. I can get a big rotation through the ball and end up in exactly this position post impact (right palm down) but I pull hook the bejesus out of it. I know i cant be far off since the contact is sweet and the hook goes miles. However every now and then (maybe 1 in 15) I'll utterly melt one dead straight like its on a string, and I have no idea what ive done differently
Ive compensated by trying real hard to keep my shoulders 'back' as I start down but this doesnt feel nearly as powerful as just the full body and arm rotation through the ball
So how does axis tilt and open clubface help and how can I get to this point. Setup with a load of primary axis tilt and an open clubface?
shootin4par
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your shoulders might be a little too vertical instead of rotating on plane causing you to pull too much across the ball.ThomasTheTank said:
birdie_man
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I'll take a shot at this....
I think what it is is if you swing too far to the right you can't keep the clubface open enough in relation to the planeline.
Remember that wherever the plane is aimed at you need to have a clubface that's a little open in relation to it at Seperation. (once the ball seperates from the clubface...not even a milisecond after Impact)
A little open in relation to that plane line.
I think what it is is if you swing too far to the right you can't keep the clubface open enough in relation to the planeline.
Remember that wherever the plane is aimed at you need to have a clubface that's a little open in relation to it at Seperation. (once the ball seperates from the clubface...not even a milisecond after Impact)
A little open in relation to that plane line.
You are over top.
Rather than keeping the shoulders back (whatever that means), try to keep the right shoulder from moving toward the target line. Of course it will but it should end up in a better location at impact. This thought should help you tilt the shoulders a bit more.
Golfie
Rather than keeping the shoulders back (whatever that means), try to keep the right shoulder from moving toward the target line. Of course it will but it should end up in a better location at impact. This thought should help you tilt the shoulders a bit more.
Golfie
birdie_man
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Ya you got it golfie....the guy needs Axis Tilt. (maybe lag too)
i.e. get your left shoulder up thru the ball......instead of out at the target line like you said. (this is the old over the top)
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Wedding ring up and no Axis Tilt......hard pulls is exactly what you get.
Keep your tailbone ahead of your neckbone.
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As for the lag.....you need to get that sucker really SWINGIN......picture Vijay...(or Mike Finney)
Make some momentum with your backswing.....make that shaft LOAD at the top BEFORE you PULL down with your left side.
All this gets you swingin that club (like a swing)......which essentially creates the lag for you....if.....
....your hands just hold on. (and nothing else)
(if they're not trained to do so you'll have to work on it a bit)
i.e. get your left shoulder up thru the ball......instead of out at the target line like you said. (this is the old over the top)
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Wedding ring up and no Axis Tilt......hard pulls is exactly what you get.
Keep your tailbone ahead of your neckbone.
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As for the lag.....you need to get that sucker really SWINGIN......picture Vijay...(or Mike Finney)
Make some momentum with your backswing.....make that shaft LOAD at the top BEFORE you PULL down with your left side.
All this gets you swingin that club (like a swing)......which essentially creates the lag for you....if.....
....your hands just hold on. (and nothing else)
(if they're not trained to do so you'll have to work on it a bit)
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