If you could only see the club...

[Nitro7]

I am on the ground behind him, I help him turn his belly and his lower mid back, I help keep it there as he starts his downswing, then I let it go.

For the right golfer, it helps almost every time.

I've done that myself with students over the years. I have found it can give a golfer a sense
of torquing the core in the transition. It's like wringing a wet towel. Often times it can be a
"light bulb moment" for many players. Like to make sure it isn't overdone. Just need a nice
amount of counter-twist without disturbing the lower body dynamic balance.

I have seen a number of times a video where you just see the club for the entire swing. Can't
recall where I saw that vid. I think seeing that kind of image can be extremely beneficial for a
golfer. I like to have an image like that when I swing a golf club. Like to sense how the club is
moving through the air void of any thoughts about body movement.

Good stuff mgranato.

 

[art]

Art,

I have been cautiously reading your posted information from day one. I am extremely interested in your information, but find it confusing that you do not present any visual examples of BBKIB. Could you possibly have Brian do a short video?

Thanks,

Lindsey

Dear Lindsey,

Great to hear from you with such meaningful comments, thanks.

Don't know why you would read my posts 'cautiously', but I hope 'thoroughly', for I am trying with all my might to convey/disclose what I believe to be the most significant science-based finding in golf history, the CRUCIAL IMPORTANCE of dynamic stability in golf, yes, even putting. I have chosen to freely discuss in any detail requested, the characteristics of 'lower body dynamic stability, presently reserving the upper body, shoulder complexes and of course, the total INTEGRATED effect for hopefully a revenue generating venture. Not for me, but for two very dear grand children 4 and 7 years old. In several generations of our family, health came first, then education, both after our foundation of respect and love for God, our higher power. The impact, including our immediate family has been to sacrifice retirement quality of life, in favor of providing the highest level of education in harmony with the capacity and desires of the offspring. I intend to BREAK that pattern, and allow our 3 grown children to have the freedom to work hard for their retirement while I continue to work hard to provide for their children's college and advanced education.

So, having met with Brian, and his orange friend at Billy McKinney's club in southern California, I have first hand knowledge of both his wonderful scientific curiosity, and desire to help all students. On my side, I have had an incredibly rich 47 year career in the science, technology and engineering fields, yes, mostly in 'rockets', and in the last 5-10 years, applied this to an understanding of the dynamics of the golf swing. So I am more than ready to transfer and infuse this background into the golf research, development and of course, teaching and instruction professions.

My desired, and IMO my most useful role is not to teach, but to teach TEACHERS to understand and accept the realistic but ENORMOUS contribution science can make to THEIR profession, but my experience is that precious few are willing to continue to learn, especially, NOT science. So the 'bottom line of all of this is that for my giving away the knowledge and importance of the dynamics and stability of the lower body in a golf swing, after meeting Brian, Billy, Jon Hardesty and Chris Como, I HAVE CHOSEN THIS BLOG TO UNCONDITIONALLY PROVIDE AND SUPPORT THIS AREA ANY WAY NECESSARY, to simply test the degree of acceptance of this approach. IMO, so far, so good.

To that end, I would be PRIVILEGED to help Brian produce a video on this lower body subject, even giving up BBKIB and re naming it more descriptively and appropriately.

 

[art]

Thorax in very poor man's 3-D.

Anyone know the signs of cabin fever?

Dear mgranato,

Please, please use the cabin and your fever to do a side by side of the pelvis and legs, along side the full body video for easy comparison of the sequencing of the swing.

It is not important that your I-Phone has compressed the data and excluded some of the swing, I want you and others to be able to visualize how 'this' golfers body sequences the hips. And yes, in my 'pushy' Italian way, if this works out, I would like to further impose and ask you to do the same thing, honoring as best you can, the characteristics of a BBKIB swing.

Thanks for this and all the other contributions you make on this site, especially injecting incredible HUMOR, which I sincerely believe, when combined with elements of these new scientific findings SHOULD provide the basis of 'Next Generation Golf Instruction' documentation, book(s), and of course videos.

Sincerely,
art

 

[mgranato]

 

[ParHunter]

Anyone know the signs of cabin fever?

I am with you there mgranato, it sucks!

 

[art]

Dear mgranato,

I don't want to have your work 'die' on this thread, as it so clearly shows, for what you have described as a minimum effort, the angular relationships of the swing at at least 8 different points in time until impact.

Unexpectedly to me, there are 6 frames during the back swing, and 2 for the down swing until impact, as determined very crudely by the side by side comparison on this page. So I conclude, NO frames have been lost, or compressed-out in the I phone, AND happily, the 3:1 ratio of tour tempo has been demonstrated here. Also, it would be more informative if the picture on the right would have been one with the club face and ball included, BUT I am not asking for any more effort, these are just my observations.

Depending HOW you 'cut' the sub-images, admittedly with my interest in BBKIB, and the reasonably high traffic in comments about keeping the rear hip back, I see the BELT LINE as being very important for reference to timing questions, so I hope you can 'cut' and maybe even highlight a belt LOOP above the greater trochanter for clarity.

I see this as a valuable tool in understanding the dynamics of the lower body, and hope comments from Brian and his teachers will follow.

Again, thanks for your efforts,
art

 

[OLIVER1]

This thread is superb. I wonder, when members look at Mike's work with just the club swinging, then look at the frames with just the parts of the body moving, which one, if either, has more impact in a person's mind as to how a golf swing should work properly. For me, I intuitively glean so much more from seeing the body move, but I bet others prefer to see the club.
I'm not really asking to delve into the nitty-gritty of a golf swing, but just the macro-overview; those intangibles that bind it all together which a good teacher should be able to spot.

 

[mgranato]

This thread is superb. I wonder, when members look at Mike's work with just the club swinging, then look at the frames with just the parts of the body moving, which one, if either, has more impact in a person's mind as to how a golf swing should work properly. For me, I intuitively glean so much more from seeing the body move, but I bet others prefer to see the club.
I'm not really asking to delve into the nitty-gritty of a golf swing, but just the macro-overview; those intangibles that bind it all together which a good teacher should be able to spot.

It might be subject dependent. When I'm playing golf, in competition, trying to score, I "view" my swing as how the club moves... very club centric. For me, it's when I'm at my best.

When I'm working on something, or looking at video I lose that focus on the club and tend to just notice what the body is doing, or worse, what the swing looks like from a body movement perspective. My entire athletic career prior to golf was very body responsive. Introduce golf, and often that natural athletic focus gets mangled.

Maybe this is why my game has benefitted so much more from LM than cameras. I still get stuck from time to time with getting my body to cooperate with how I'm trying to move the club, making body movements the focus, but the bulk of the time I really like to picture the club being the focus.

 

[birly-shirly]

I've been doing a 30-year study....



I was using my version on it yesterday with Glen Cole.

I am on the ground behind him, I help him turn his belly and his lower mid back, I help keep it there as he starts his downswing, then I let it go.

For the right golfer, it helps almost every time.

Brian - how would you define "the right golfer" for this treatment?

 

[Billy McKinney]

Don't know if you could effectively pull it off, but it would be cool to see a research study where golfers are asked to imitate club movements or body movements. Would there be a difference in improvement? Would imitating the club lead to better body movements? It would be interesting, since golf instruction to this point it time has been so heavily focused on body movements...

At the World Scientific Congress of Golf, the presenting scientists and coaches were constantly talking about 'External Focus of Attention' being far superior to Internal (the body)...it allows the better-equipped part of the brain, the dorsal parietal lobe I think it was called, to handle the movement with automaticity. It is not SUB or UN conscious..just a different part of the brain.
And this is how Nicklaus said he always played...no body commands, just club. For those of us prone to over-thinking, this is nice relief.

 

[Shot Limit]

At the World Scientific Congress of Golf, the presenting scientists and coaches were constantly talking about 'External Focus of Attention' being far superior to Internal (the body)...it allows the better-equipped part of the brain, the dorsal parietal lobe I think it was called, to handle the movement with automaticity. It is not SUB or UN conscious..just a different part of the brain.
And this is how Nicklaus said he always played...no body commands, just club. For those of us prone to over-thinking, this is nice relief.

This was and still is a big deal for me. I noticed the most improvement in ball striking when I switched my focus from different moving body parts to focus on the club movements.

 

[art]

I've been doing a 30-year study....



I was using my version on it yesterday with Glen Cole.

I am on the ground behind him, I help him turn his belly and his lower mid back, I help keep it there as he starts his downswing, then I let it go.

For the right golfer, it helps almost every time.

Dear Brian,

I need to tune up my reading skills, I completely MISSED your comments in response to Lindsey Newman regarding BBKIB. Of particular interest to me was your implementation of "keep it back" (the rear hip), i.e., "I am on the ground behind him, I help him turn his belly and his lower mid back, I help keep it there as he starts his downswing, then I let it go."

You have MANY on this site asking about how, when and even why should they 'delay' the movement of the rear hip, and my answer is CLEARLY AND SIMPLY to assure lower body dynamic stability, and as a by-product, improve the students timing and kinematic sequencing.

I have noticed a definite decline in responses to my maybe too lengthy, too scientific or just plain uninteresting and repetitive BBKIB comments.

So my purpose of commenting and 'piggy-backing' on your comments from the lesson with Glen Cole was another attempt to state that IMO, (with considerable scientific background), improvement is dependent on CONSISTENT TEMPO AND RHYTHM, and DYNAMIC BALANCE AND STABILITY.

Thanks for listening,
art