Impact fix
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rwh
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Impact Fix is your Impact position. As used in The Golfing Machine, it refers to a pre-swing rehearsal of Impact so that the player can see and fix in mind exactly where and how everthing should be positioned at Impact. A lot of people don't understand that the classic mid-body hands Address alignments are not the same as Impact alignments. Check out these two pages:
http://www.golfresearch.com/impact.htm
http://www.golfresearch.com/impact2.htm
birdie_man
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Good sites there RWH. They even mention The Golfing Machine and Homer Kelly.
Ur right about using Impact Fix as a tool to check how your body should be aligned at the actual point of impact with the ball....just like that computer model guy does in the second page. He transitions from mid-body hands (actually called "Adjusted Address" in TGM) to Impact Fix.
But there are golfers that start from an Impact condition. All that is, is a slight forward press to shift your hands just ahead of wherever the ball is positioned- preset forward-leaning shaft. Hitters do this as do some other people. And when I say forward-press, it doesn't have to be a move RIGHT before you swing like Vijay and Sam Snead do...you can just SET your hands there when you address the ball.
I like mid-body personally but I can understand why a hitter would want to start with Impact hands...just works better/feels better and makes it harder allow CF to take over in the takeaway. You don't want any part of CF (centrif. force) if you're a hitter.
-Paul
Ur right about using Impact Fix as a tool to check how your body should be aligned at the actual point of impact with the ball....just like that computer model guy does in the second page. He transitions from mid-body hands (actually called "Adjusted Address" in TGM) to Impact Fix.
But there are golfers that start from an Impact condition. All that is, is a slight forward press to shift your hands just ahead of wherever the ball is positioned- preset forward-leaning shaft. Hitters do this as do some other people. And when I say forward-press, it doesn't have to be a move RIGHT before you swing like Vijay and Sam Snead do...you can just SET your hands there when you address the ball.
I like mid-body personally but I can understand why a hitter would want to start with Impact hands...just works better/feels better and makes it harder allow CF to take over in the takeaway. You don't want any part of CF (centrif. force) if you're a hitter.
-Paul
Jamma
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Good points, Paul. That's the great thing about the Machine -- there are many options available to satisfy one's physical and/or psychological needs. I now use the Standard Address (10-9-A) for all full shots and Impact Address (10-9-B) for chips and short pitches.
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Thanks guys. Still a few things that need a little clarification. I see you guys mentioning that TGM...the golf machine(?) and all those (10-9-B...)-things. Hmmm...could you tell me a bit more...
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I'm a 18 HC:er, and this summer I feel my golfing is a bit stuck. Don't feel that my current swing technique allows me to perform the way I'd like to. So this summer I've tried to find new things to improve my game. ...and have to say, this forum seems to be the right place for that.
Good points, Paul. That's the great thing about the Machine -- there are many options available to satisfy one's physical and/or psychological needs. I now use the Standard Address (10-9-A) for all full shots and Impact Address (10-9-B) for chips and short pitches.
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Thanks guys. Still a few things that need a little clarification. I see you guys mentioning that TGM...the golf machine(?) and all those (10-9-B...)-things. Hmmm...could you tell me a bit more...
.I'm a 18 HC:er, and this summer I feel my golfing is a bit stuck. Don't feel that my current swing technique allows me to perform the way I'd like to. So this summer I've tried to find new things to improve my game. ...and have to say, this forum seems to be the right place for that
.David Alford
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The real reasons why some swing models have the hands midbody have not been well understood, and from what I have read, TGM misses this important topic completely.
David Alford
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and btw, so does every other golf book (that I have seen)!
birdie_man
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Maybe you can enlighten us David?
David Alford
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I wouldn't agree with that. I'd rate either position equal for keeping the swing on plane if you know the various correct ways to make a backswing.
I'll elaborate on this down the road a little.
I'll elaborate on this down the road a little.
David Alford
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Well, I'll temper that. HK would be correct in that a beginner might be more likely to go off plane with the hands forward...but it's pretty easy to fall in that trap with hands midbody, too.
Hand position, by itself, offers little protection against that.
The only sure protection is more complete knowledge of correct backswing techniques vs. just hand position.
Hand position, by itself, offers little protection against that.
The only sure protection is more complete knowledge of correct backswing techniques vs. just hand position.
Brian Manzella
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The top three things thta HAVE IMPROVED GOLFERS in my 23 years of teaching:
1. Flat Left Wrist at the Top
2. Full rolling with a flat left wrist
3. Mid Body hands
hmmmmm..
[P.S. The hurricane and al that goes with it has slowed me down in the past couple of days. I will try to podacst and audioAnswer tonight]
1. Flat Left Wrist at the Top
2. Full rolling with a flat left wrist
3. Mid Body hands
hmmmmm..
[P.S. The hurricane and al that goes with it has slowed me down in the past couple of days. I will try to podacst and audioAnswer tonight]
birdie_man
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This is a guess...
But I'd say mid-body hands sets you up for more of a dragging clubhead takeaway- to allow physics (CF mostly) to take over. Then it can kind of take you where you need to go automatically...less actual input from the golfer in moving the club where it needs to go. The club just kind of goes along for the ride.
I guess that's easier to do if you're oblivious in knowing where the club needs to go.
If you do know where the club needs to go then you can put it there yourself...I guess impact hands at address would lean towards favouring geometry (structure). I'd say it's less automatic with that feeling of "the club swings itself".
This is pretty much a guess but I think it makes sense.
But I'd say mid-body hands sets you up for more of a dragging clubhead takeaway- to allow physics (CF mostly) to take over. Then it can kind of take you where you need to go automatically...less actual input from the golfer in moving the club where it needs to go. The club just kind of goes along for the ride.
I guess that's easier to do if you're oblivious in knowing where the club needs to go.
If you do know where the club needs to go then you can put it there yourself...I guess impact hands at address would lean towards favouring geometry (structure). I'd say it's less automatic with that feeling of "the club swings itself".
This is pretty much a guess but I think it makes sense.
birdie_man
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BTW Brian...what do you mean (in your last post) about "full rolling with a FLW"?
Through impact?
Through impact?
Starting the take-away from either mid or impact fix works fine. Swingers use mid and Hitters like Impact Fix.
Remember — you set up in an address position before going into impact fix so in it best to be in a mid body hands address before IF. Then IF will go back through adjusted address on the takeaway.
For me mid hands are set a little higher than my old address position - much like S.Appleby. The right forearm can set to almost nearly on the shaft/sweetspot plane which gives me a good RFT and a magic right forearm.
And YES, Starting from Mid Hnads did feel strange at first. Now it feels strong.
Brian Manzella
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It works better for ALL of the reasons Homer said in the book PLUS:
It just works better on more golfers PERIOD.
[more on the AudioAnswer]
It just works better on more golfers PERIOD.
[more on the AudioAnswer]
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