Impact shoulders

[dale47]

Hi Brian,
Since I first "met" you on anther forum, one thing you have always preached is getting your left shoulder as far away from the ball at impact as possible. 90% of typical golf instruction wants one to have his his hips open and shoulders SQUARE at impact. Would you tell us why the open shoulders at impact is so crucial ? Also,in one of your videos can you do a close-up of the hands from address to finish . Sometimes it gets a bit foggy as whether I should be rolling,down cocking,karate chopping,etc. .

 

[Brian Manzella]

Good place to start...

[media]http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzella/.Movies/bartlett3.mov[/media]

 

[Kevin Shields]

In a you tube video, Brian states that once the left arm is drawn across the chest, the club is then behind the player. Since the arm doesn't get thrown off the chest till post impact, you must rotate the shoulders to open to get the club on the ball with the chest/arm pressure intact.

 

[tongzilla]

remember the subject in the above video plays a fade.

 

[golfbulldog]

Interesting ...

This has been in my mind for some time....

Brian, does it make any difference if you have not fully released accumulator 4 by impact?

I agree with DoubleD that if your left arm is not thrown off the chest then you have to have open shoulders...Manzella's First Law...

I can see that having the arm linked to the chest at impact might have a benefit in the "old school" belief of resisting impact.... but, in the light of Mandrin, Zick and co. describing golf impact as so fleeting and resistance is futile etc. only clubhead velocity matters... ,

- does it help in achieving velocity of clubhead at impact???

Thanks

 

[Dariusz J.]

It helps to gain a good accuracy, first of all, since the swing is more pivot-controlled. The less distal parts (arms) away from the body, the better.

Cheers

 

[Kevin Shields]

This has been in my mind for some time....

Brian, does it make any difference if you have not fully released accumulator 4 by impact?

I agree with DoubleD that if your left arm is not thrown off the chest then you have to have open shoulders...Manzella's First Law...

I can see that having the arm linked to the chest at impact might have a benefit in the "old school" belief of resisting impact.... but, in the light of Mandrin, Zick and co. describing golf impact as so fleeting and resistance is futile etc. only clubhead velocity matters... ,

- does it help in achieving velocity of clubhead at impact???

Thanks

I'd like to know if Mandrin, Zick and co. can actually hit a ball. Only clubhead velocity matters...for what? Just because you can't resist impact doesn't mean you shouldn't try to. Speed for distance maybe but for distance and precision, proper impact body alignments and support.

 

[matt kluck]

doubled

Quit giving away the secrets. Self discovery is a wonderful thing when you have never hit a golf ball as well as it can be hit!! Give the inquisitors and the scientists a little leeway. Feelings have never represented reality. Look at the Hogan description after he drummed Snead on Shell's in Houston! Good luck to all in solving this mystery.

 

[dale47]

Hi Doubled,
In layman's term ,would you describe swinging for club head speed only is similar to a "bitch slap" (witch stings like hell for a bit but goes away fast) as apposed to proper impact angles and a firm left side or a (solid punch to the jaw witch knocks you on your can) and is way more efficient and gets better results .

 

[birdie_man]

All the ball knows is:

Clubhead:

-speed
-center contact
-clubface (open/closed + loft)
-path (left/right + up/down)

...

But feels are another story. (I don't see why "STLOC" can't be a good one...i.e. "the heavy hit")

 

[dale47]

Say I have speed,center contact,proper club face alinement's and proper path ..........but i have improper stability thru impact then I have little...........True ?

 

[holeout]

So these proper impact alignments (i.e. "stability" for you) produce speed, center contact, proper club face alignments and path for you?

I think that's what you're saying, and if so then that's good. But the stability of impact alignments has NOTHING to do with the ability to resist deceleration by making the club face more "stable" or "heavy" at impact. I think that's all anyone is saying.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Hi Doubled,
In layman's term ,would you describe swinging for club head speed only is similar to a "bitch slap" (witch stings like hell for a bit but goes away fast) as apposed to proper impact angles and a firm left side or a (solid punch to the jaw witch knocks you on your can) and is way more efficient and gets better results .

Yes, frankly i would.

 

[Kevin Shields]

So these proper impact alignments (i.e. "stability" for you) produce speed, center contact, proper club face alignments and path for you?

I think that's what you're saying, and if so then that's good. But the stability of impact alignments has NOTHING to do with the ability to resist deceleration by making the club face more "stable" or "heavy" at impact. I think that's all anyone is saying.

I see the point, no doubt. But I must be missing the benefit of this new knowledge. So what if the clubhead gets thrown off the shaft? Does that mean we are looking for a new way to hit it? If so, i want to know it. I just don't think you can say something is bunk and just leave it at that. Give me an alternative.

 

[matt kluck]

I need support to this argument as well. Proof is in the ability to prove the assumptiion, Go dooubled!! I have documentation to disprove this assumption via the patent process. Good luck refuting this premise.

 

[holeout]

I see the point, no doubt. But I must be missing the benefit of this new knowledge. So what if the clubhead gets thrown off the shaft? Does that mean we are looking for a new way to hit it? If so, i want to know it. I just don't think you can say something is bunk and just leave it at that. Give me an alternative.

I'm not sure I follow what you're getting at .

 

[matt kluck]

Figure it out! You have the necessary resources to find the facts. Go to USPatents.com and seek the knowlege to be wise enough to debate. If you have questions give me a call at 412-576-4267. Good luck in your pursuit of knowlege. MK

 

[holeout]

Did I miss something?

Are you guys arguing that the "heavy hit" exists? That one CAN resist impact deceleration?

Because I'm not. I'm with Brian on this one. Maybe I just wasn't clear enough.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Did I miss something?

Are you guys arguing that the "heavy hit" exists? That one CAN resist impact deceleration?

Because I'm not. I'm with Brian on this one. Maybe I just wasn't clear enough.

Definately not arguing. I now know the facts. I'm just wondering how or if this info is relevant at all. Does it mean we shouldnt have force on the shaft? Can we not resist deceleration in the rough? Is there a better way to swing than to keep pressure points intact through impact? Or is it just a useless scientific fact? That's all. Has it changed the way you swing?

 

[holeout]

Definately not arguing. I now know the facts. I'm just wondering how or if this info is relevant at all. Does it mean we shouldnt have force on the shaft? Can we not resist deceleration in the rough? Is there a better way to swing than to keep pressure points intact through impact? Or is it just a useless scientific fact? That's all. Has it changed the way you swing?

Ah, I see what you're saying now. Thanks for the clarification.

You pose some really good points. It probably hasn't changed the way I swing, not consciously at least. I'd be interested to see how or if Brian has been able to apply information like this to his teaching.