Impressed by Morgan Pressel

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Tball88

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I must say, I am impressed by Morgan Pressel this week. She's 3 under through two rounds of the Mcdonalds an LPGA Major, playing 6600 yds, and she's only averaging 215 off the tee.


Makes me feel so friggin bad about my game, I can consistently hit it 260-270, and no way in h$%%, could I shoot 3 under at Bulle Rock.


ughhh...
 
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Damon Lucas

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Not to diminish Morgan's play because I think she does very well, but...
1. Bulle Rock is playing very easily this week with
a) L,C, & P
b) Very short tees
c) Extra Soft greens
d) Easy pin positions
e) No wind/great vision weather

2. There are some very tough holes at BR, off the back tees(4 par 4s over 480, but from where they are playing, the hazards, trouble, narrow fairways are not in play.

3. I have played there a bunch(actually worked there for a year), and it was built as a golf course for a men's major, but never got one. The shorter versions of the course don't do it justice, because it is outstanding off the back...I played a better ball charity day there one year, and had 9 birds and an eagle- I am not in that league, nor would I do that on that golf course at it's normal length!
 
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I'm sure the course is playing a bit easier for everyone, and maybe even shorter. I think what impresses me, is that she's 30-45 yds back of everyone all day and still puts up those kind of scores.

To me it's interesting that everyone wants more length, or she really proves that you don't have to be long to score. Maybe the Corey Pavin of the women's tour.
 
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RickPinewild

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Morgan Pressel

Don't believe 215 yards. I watched her at the North South a couple years ago and she was consistent at 250-265. I stepped off every one, she is not a short hitter.
 
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thefuture37 said:
does that include roll? she really is a tiny little girl
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YES!

Imagine how consistent these short hitters have to be with their approach shots to play at the professional level.

Not only is she tiny, her swing is also a hindrance to power. Have you seen the way she grips the club.
 
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She was hitting it long yesterday, according to LPGA.com, she's averaging 219 through three rounds.

I would think that figure is pretty accurate, I believe they use GPS to determine their average drive, although they don't measure every drive.
 
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Brian Manzella

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The WNBA suffers for ratings, and makes fun of how good the girls are compared to how good the detractors say think they are.

"Your rec league team could run us out the gym"​

They should play a game against a rec league all-star team. Just pick a city—say San Francisco—pick the best 12 rec league players from a few leagues, and viola! Billy Jean King 2.

(I'll bet on the guys).

Same with the LPGA.

These goofy easy setups do NOTHING for me. Play Pebble from the tips, set up the same way it is for the guys. If 320 wins, at least you'll know what you've got.

Apples to Apples. (Or Apples to Walnuts) ;)

Anyhoo, Morgan Pressel is a nice looking, animated young lady, with a teacher who endorsed NSA 2 on the cover.

We like her, even if Tom Bartlett hits his 2-iron way by her.
 
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Brian, I agree with your assessment on the WNBA. I think the guys atleticism would just kill them.

It would be interesting to me to see how your average club champion would stack up against the women. At my club we have a guy who is consistently between 66-72 from 7000 yds. It would be neat to see what he would do in an LPGA event.

I agree with you on Pressel, she has a lot of fire, and hates to lose. Something I wish we saw in more athletes, especially PGA players. I'd like to see more them get pis#$% off when Tiger whips them. I think too many are just happy to cash a check.
 
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thefuture37

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Brian Manzella said:
The WNBA suffers for ratings, and makes fun of how good the girls are compared to how good the detractors say think they are.

"Your rec league team could run us out the gym"​

They should play a game against a rec league all-star team. Just pick a city—say San Francisco—pick the best 12 rec league players from a few leagues, and viola! Billy Jean King 2.

(I'll bet on the guys).

Same with the LPGA.

These goofy easy setups do NOTHING for me. Play Pebble from the tips, set up the same way it is for the guys. If 320 wins, at least you'll know what you've got.

Apples to Apples. (Or Apples to Walnuts) ;)

Anyhoo, Morgan Pressel is a nice looking, animated young lady, with a teacher who endorsed NSA 2 on the cover.

We like her, even if Tom Bartlett hits his 2-iron way by her.
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Thats not a fair assessment of LPGA vs PGA tour players. You have to adjust for the strength advantage that a man has over a woman. Even the most out of shape players(i.e. Tim Herron) are still stronger physically than most(if not all) LPGA tour players. Comparing men and women in sports will never be apples to apples because of that. Saying that a woman should play a course from the tips is like saying that the PGA tour players would know what they've got if they played that crazy 8,000 yard course from the tips.
 
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Kevin Shields

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I played with Morgan a few times when she was 11 or 12, right before she qualified for the Open. She's the niece, i think, of Aaron Krickstein, the former USTA Tennis Tour player who was a member at this club i was at in Palm Beach. I guess it runs in the family, some are just born to do it.
 
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thefuture37 said:
Thats not a fair assessment of LPGA vs PGA tour players. You have to adjust for the strength advantage that a man has over a woman. Even the most out of shape players(i.e. Tim Herron) are still stronger physically than most(if not all) LPGA tour players. Comparing men and women in sports will never be apples to apples because of that. Saying that a woman should play a course from the tips is like saying that the PGA tour players would know what they've got if they played that crazy 8,000 yard course from the tips.
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Baloney!

No sense having a full-time teacher—me—playing Valhalla from 7600, but I did it on Wednesday.

I shot 83, just as Romo did at Torrey Pines.

I hit it REALLY good. I can score better than that from back there, but it played 10 shots harder than Pebble last August.

I could go play a course like Seneca Park in Louisville, play from 7,000 yards, hit it exactly like I did a Valhalla and shoot 70.

But I'd be fooling myself.

The girls need to go back to the tips at least once a year and show us where they stand.

Period.
 
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thefuture37

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Brian Manzella said:
Baloney!

No sense having a full-time teacher—me—playing Valhalla from 7600, but I did it on Wednesday.

I shot 83, just as Romo did at Torrey Pines.

I hit it REALLY good. I can score better than that from back there, but it played 10 shots harder than Pebble last August.

I could go play a course like Seneca Park in Louisville, play from 7,000 yards, hit it exactly like I did a Valhalla and shoot 70.

But I'd be fooling myself.

The girls need to go back to the tips at least once a year and show us where they stand.

Period.
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It makes perfect sense that you would play a tour-level course from the tips--you were trying to see how you compared to a tour player. The point is that a woman(any woman) will never be able to compete on the PGA tour, because of physical inferiority.

So you don't think there should be ANY adjustment for the differences in physical stature between men and women? How many shots less do you think you would have taken at Valhalla if you had played it from different tees, all the way up to the ladies tees? At some point, won't a super long course stop giving a complete test of someone's game if they are hitting woods into every par 4 and par 3?
 
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If Brian wished to compare himself to a Tour player...why wouldn't a LPGA player wish to compare to a PGA tour player, also? I think it is only human nature to want to know where you stand against the best.
 
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I want to agree with Brian on this, but I dont think I can...
The champions tour plays shorter courses because they are physically unable to play those 7600 yard courses anymore... are you going to make Hubert Green play 7600 yards Brian? They cant do it anymore.
Likewise, the girls cant do it, they are physically unable to play a course that long. BUT, I do agree, with the fact, that their courses should be tough, from 6600 yards, and most of them, don't look to be. I was watching some of the Macdonald's LPGA, and was surprised at how easy the course looked to play for them...
then again, how much does distance matter, when a course is playing hard? I would like to see the tour pros, play 18 "17ths at Sawgrass" and see how many are under par after 2400 yards....;)
 
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The top Champion Tour guys still play in some PGA Tour events. The Champions Tour US Open gets an invite to the US Open the following year. Also, the majority of the Champions Tour guys have teed it up on the regular tour in their younger days. They once was the standard measuring stick. I don't think the women's tour should play every event that way... but once a year in maybe a Tour Championship like event... top 30...play Harbor Town from the tips ...that wouldn't be a bear to play...
 
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MrMichael said:
The top Champion Tour guys still play in some PGA Tour events. The Champions Tour US Open gets an invite to the US Open the following year. Also, the majority of the Champions Tour guys have teed it up on the regular tour in their younger days. They once was the standard measuring stick. I don't think the women's tour should play every event that way... but once a year in maybe a Tour Championship like event... top 30...play Harbor Town from the tips ...that wouldn't be a bear to play...
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I guess what it comes down to for me, is not the length of the coarse, its the toughness. It, seems that the girls, don't have to play courses NEAR as tough as the guys, for the length they are playing.
I just threw the champions tour in there as an arguing point...

example:
the womens us open, should play every bit as tough as the mens us open, but at a shorter length. THAT would test their talent, at their length.:cool:
 
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S'pose the tricky one would be as tough for the womens game be different to the mens game. You couldn't have the rough the same length or the greens AS hard due to strength and spin issues. No reason for putting or short game to be any different though.

I've had a fair bit of experience playing with good female golfers (wife, her friends who played Curtis Cup etc) and they happily state they just can't shift a ball from the rough as well as even a mid/high male.

I think it really is an apples to oranges comparison. They just can't compete against each other, and why would they? There can't be many sports that mix it up so why should golf be any different...

They didn't let Jean Van der Velde into the Womens British Open when women could qualify for the mens....so why mix except for MIXED golf...

Just my 2 cents/pence/euros

:)
 
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