Inside-out cut shot

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diggerdog

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If you can perform, at will, the inside-out cut shot with compression, you ARE the golfing machine, and there really is nothing else you need to learn, performance-wize. Like a good dish of Cajun duck at Mulates off of I-10 near Lake Charles, you may have in interest in knowing the ingredients, but if you simply enjoy the dish, you have more time to listen to the music.

The inside-out cut shot-if you want the machine in a week, just get an AI to show you how. After that, as Einsteins quote says, "the rest are just details."
 
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Kevin Shields

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Armed with proper Dplane info, Im teaching a student the inside out cut shot and Im nervous for this kid to find out how good he can be.
 
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GPM1985

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How is the inside-out cut shot done? I'm trying to think about this in terms of the D-plane and I can't come up with a definitive answer. I'm thinking something like 2* inside-out with a face that's 3* open at impact. Is that even close? From what I've read this shot seems to be the "Hogan Fade" people like to drool over. It would be cool to go back in time and get the Hawk on a Trackman.
 
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ScottRob

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So...the inside out cut shot is when the CP is in to out in relation to the HSP but out to in relative to the club face thereby producing a fade, or a slight push-fade?
 
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finncox

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Kevin Shields said:
Armed with proper Dplane info, Im teaching a student the inside out cut shot and Im nervous for this kid to find out how good he can be.
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I must admit to being a little confused. Are we just talking a small "push-fade" here? What makes it such a useful shot?
 
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Kevin Shields

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Its only useful to this player because he had no idea how easy it would be to cut it with his swing. He just didnt have enough info to figure it out.
 
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cwdlaw223

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Kevin -

How does the VSP and Angle of Attack affect the push fade?

I wouldn't be surprised if the higher the VSP and steeper AoA make it harder it is to hit the push fade because if the VSP is higher the clubface closure rate increases and if the AoA is steeper the more the resultant path is to the right.
 
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cwdlaw223

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It's easier for me to turn my forearms over the more vertical my swingplane. The more my forearms turn over the faster I can close the clubface.

So the VSP doesn't affect the push fade???
Does the AoA affect the push fade?

Would you recommend that people trying to hit a push fade with irons try to pick the ball or just brush the surface to reduce their AoA and the resultant path to right the higher the AoA?
 
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Kevin Shields

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First of all, every fade is a push fade because it starts right of the path. In this scenario im talking about a deep pitch elbow player who has trouble swinging left so he needs to aim more left than others to fade it.

Also, just because your plane ANGLE is high on video doesnt mean you have a high sweetspot VSP. They arent directly related.
 
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If you mean to square up the head, I think it has to do with the size difference of the head which relates to the cog being farther from the hosel for a driver.
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Maybe it's because the jumbo driver heads have a larger MOI. I doubt the CofG axis is that much more farther away from the hosel and shaft axis to make a difference. MOI does resist rotation.
 
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SteveT said:
Maybe it's because the jumbo driver heads have a larger MOI. I doubt the CofG axis is that much more farther away from the hosel and shaft axis to make a difference. MOI does resist rotation.
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I understood from Dr. Wood at Ping that MOI resists a twisting on off center hits and moving the COG has a huge affect on how the clubhead squares up into impact. This from Brian's symposium, I will have go back and check what he said about it.

Went back and checked and Dr. Wood said ^^, except he used the term "center of mass". He added that what you suggest, SeveT, is "a classic case of the same law with a different application". The COG twists around a different axis--the shaft-- than the MOI which is in the head only.
 
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weese

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Now I'm even more confused

Kevin says its easier to turn over the 3-wood than the Driver because its easier to spin, but doesn't having more backspin mean having less spin axis tilt (sorry if I don't have the terminology correct)? The higher the loft the less the curvature.

Someone clear this up for me please. :eek:
 
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SteveT

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spktho said:
I understood from Dr. Wood at Ping that MOI resists a twisting on off center hits and moving the COG has a huge affect on how the clubhead squares up into impact. This from Brian's symposium, I will have go back and check what he said about it.

Went back and checked and Dr. Wood said ^^, except he used the term "center of mass". He added that what you suggest, SeveT, is "a classic case of the same law with a different application". The COG twists around a different axis--the shaft-- than the MOI which is in the head only.
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Could you elaborate a bit more on Dr. Wood's comments about CofM and MOI, because that quotation doesn't register. Sorry.

Thanks for elevating me to "SeveT" .. I wish ....:D
 
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spktho

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SteveT said:
Could you elaborate a bit more on Dr. Wood's comments about CofM and MOI, because that quotation doesn't register. Sorry.

Thanks for elevating me to "SeveT" .. I wish ....:D
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I apologize for the typo, SteveT.

His assertion was that the MOI resisted a twisting of the club head on off center hits of which the axis of twisting could be in the head or anywhere in space.

The center of mass being farther away from the shaft/hosel makes it more difficult to rotate the club head around the axis of the shaft compared to if the center of mass of the club head is closer to the shaft/hosel.
 
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