Is it as easy as...or not...?

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lia41985

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You've got a "flipper"--put the ball in a divot and let him have at it.

You've got a guy staying too much on his right foot and not shifting his weight left enough for a good "run up"--put him on a downhill lie.

You've got a guy swinging "right of Rush Limbaugh" and you're not Hank Haney--drivers off the deck.

And then you've got Tiger Woods.

Tiger F----n' Woods. You're really gonna sell him on a "gimmick"? Nice "band aid" fix, pro. Yeah, yeah, yeah...talk your book and keep that head in the sand and precisely in the middle of your freakin' stance. You'll come around on your own by necessity (knowledge advances to the point that if you don't keep up you lose credibility as an expert) or you'll fail at what you do because you weren't willing to learn. To understand what Popper understood, to understand what the true scientist does...that no matter how careful his construction, how considerate his considerations, and how reasonable his assumptions, there's something missing, something more to learn, some way to be more precise, some way to really "know"...

In the mean time, none of us really "know" but what we definitely do know, in a very real sense, as golfers, is that we want to get better and we'll do it any we we can. And what does that mean? A lower score. We want to be able to control our ball such that we get it in the hole in the fewest number of strokes.

So we're willing to try just about anything to get better and that makes all of us, even Tiger Woods, open to do what it takes (functional marriages be damned--not a judgment, if those are your priorities, those are your priorities; it's you're life and I won't judge you, that's for God/Bill Maher).

Why not, if you're Sean Foley, Steve Williams, Mark Steinberg, Phil Knight or anyone else that's making sacrifices at the altar of ETW Corp. suggest

(making sure you let Tiger feel as if he came to the decision entirely under his own volition because rumor has it arguably the greatest golfer ever has this mentality that he knows a thing or two about what works for his game, stubborn chap)

to Tiger, "hey buddy, why not hit balls off a downhill, sidehill (with the ball above the feet) lie?" You don't even have to tell him why, which is to flatten his eventual sweetspot path and get his right shoulder higher, so that he can "cover it."

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He'll feel it and he'll learn--or he won't and we'll move on to something else (REMEMBER: as Penick used to say, it's ALL a lesson). There's always Trackman... :)

Is it as easy as that or not?
 
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lia41985

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John Jacobs used to prescribe drivers off the deck for his students:
Seve Ballesteros, Nick Faldo and Jose Maria Olazabal all had the same flaw as Watson did. Faldo was the best listener of the three; Seve the worst. Olazabal was stubborn, but he was diligent about the driver-off-the-deck drill. And he had the gratifying trait of being more receptive before a big occasion.
From: John Jacobs: A Life Full Of Lessons: Golf Digest
 
I honestly don't think it matters much unless he gets the grip changed. Trying to square the face from the elbow plane with a grip that has the club in the palm of the left hand....difficult to do. I don't know for sure if it's changed, but it doesn't look like it to me and it looks like he's got the backswing down good, but then he comes into the downswing and has to compensate for that grip.





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lia41985

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It is a pretty weak grip.

But word has it that Tiger's most-hated shot is a pull-hook (face closed to target and path).

Word also has it that Foley wants Tiger swinging left the way Mahan does, which I take to mean as with a flatter eventual sweetspot path and a less steep shoulder rotational pattern. You're not gonna really want a strong grip if you wanna do it that way unless you're willing to accept the fact that now the critical shot with a swing that employs this combination/construction of components is gonna be a pull hook. It just will be as now the stronger grip configuration will tend the face towards being closed to the path, a path that is leftward. You want to have a grip that's weak enough so that you can drag the path left enough to hit a pull cut with the critical shot being a pull, which ironically would put Tiger back to where Hank Haney wanted him (see: http://twitter.com/HankDHaney/status/48405849764413440).
 
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Jared Willerson

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Weak or not, he needs to grip the club correctly. That Haney palm grip needs to go. The sooner the better. A Manzella neutral style grip would be a huge upgrade.
 

lia41985

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THE MOST HELPFUL fixes for rocking and blocking are standing taller to the ball and making sure the clubhead is neutral to slightly open at address. Both take the steepness out of the backswing and encourage the correct rotary motion. So does hitting shots with the ball above the feet, as well as hitting drivers off the ground, where good contact is impossible if the path is too inside.
John Jacobs: A Life Full Of Lessons: Golf Digest
 

lia41985

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More than close...
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