Is it possible to create tour golfers?

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Clearly great golfers are a product of their god given ability and their environment.

Do you guys think it would be possible to produce a team of great golfers (PGA Tour standard) by creating a good environment (good courses, practice facilities, coaches, physical training, nutrition etc.) and then selecting and nurturing the best of the local talent available?
 
I think you increase the odds by doing something like that. But I also think that an isolated sanitized environment like that could create players that have issues when it comes to facing adversity, lacking that old school toughness or even meanness (competitively speaking) that comes from fighting your way up on your own. Definitely an interesting concept (doesn't Australia have something like this?).
 
Every great player is created, not born. I tend to agree with BManz, that some kid is going to have access to better information and Trackman and become "great" much quicker than past generations.
 

Jared Willerson

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Yes, but the sterilized "academy" model isn't it.

The best bet would be a mix of your model with some sean o'hair dad and tiger dad thrown in there to create some kind of super warrior golfer.
 

footwedge

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Every great player is created, not born. I tend to agree with BManz, that some kid is going to have access to better information and Trackman and become "great" much quicker than past generations.



Not exactly accurate. There's a lot to becoming great and been born is probably the most important factor. :D Hard to create greatness from mediocrity, talent wise or with limited physical attributes even with better info and Trackman, it's a complicated recipe, but I think you have to be born with some of the right ingredients to make the Greatness recipe a success. JMO.
 
If everyone could be a great athlete they would be, especially given the culture of the USA where premier athletes are encouraged to make a living at it..

Long before everyone recieved a trophy or got a pat on the ass for just trying, only the fittest survived. If you were not being picked first for playground hoops or backyard football then you just didn't have it and probably never will. Some folks are baller's and some are not. I knew and know kids who could not catch a Nerf ball from 5 feet. You could do whatever you wanted but they were always gonna be duds athletically.

Now, if you were going to identify high end athletes early, put them in an environment for success like Sweden and Australia, then I say you could create super golfers.
 
The old school model has a lot of room for improvement. There will be a better academy someday that will be a potent champion factory the way Cirque du Soleil acrobats are trained. There will be heavy emphasis on individual needs that will allow each player to train within their context. Of course, the outsider coaches will poo poo the program, but the factory will produce nonetheless.
 
If everyone could be a great athlete they would be, especially given the culture of the USA where premier athletes are encouraged to make a living at it..

Long before everyone recieved a trophy or got a pat on the ass for just trying, only the fittest survived. If you were not being picked first for playground hoops or backyard football then you just didn't have it and probably never will. Some folks are baller's and some are not. I knew and know kids who could not catch a Nerf ball from 5 feet. You could do whatever you wanted but they were always gonna be duds athletically.

Now, if you were going to identify high end athletes early, put them in an environment for success like Sweden and Australia, then I say you could create super golfers.

Create super golfers huh? You make it sound like some sort of cold war experiment.
 
Other countries are already creating these environments that produce world class athletes. The US is behind the times when it comes to these types of nurturing environments that creates these champions. Australia is only one example of several...
 
Clearly great golfers are a product of their god given ability and their environment.

Do you guys think it would be possible to produce a team of great golfers (PGA Tour standard) by creating a good environment (good courses, practice facilities, coaches, physical training, nutrition etc.) and then selecting and nurturing the best of the local talent available?
I think this is what already happens naturally. I have to believe the the kids on scholarship at the top 10 college programs, are getting this treatment. Having someone or some group of people select much younger players that get this treatment won't happen in this country. It sounds like how the socialist countries ( Russia, East Germany, etc. ) trained their athletes during the cold war.
 
Yes and this is there logo...

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I have a bit of experience with this very subject in a way.

Back in the late 90's and early 2000's I was a student of Hank Haney and one of his top teachers (Mark Murphy) I've posted my sad tale of wasted money here before. I went to Hank's Golf Ranch in McKinney when it was at it's peak and his youth program was full of kids. It was pretty darn impressive to be on the range before or after my lesson and see 20-30 kids, ages 5-18, all hitting beautiful golf shots with almost identical swings. Some of the really young one's were almost surreal in how well they hit the ball. They all learned the same golf swing with the same instruction from the first day they set foot on the range. They had weekly competitive tournaments there at the Ranch and they traveled a LOT to AJGA tournaments. These kids were groomed from the beginning to be great golfers. Yet, if you check on these kids later on in life, only Hunter Mahan could be considered a certified star and his dad was one of the Haney instructors. I wouldn't think that one PGA Tour star out of several thousand kids would be considered a successful experiment. That's not saying that Haney's Youth Program didn't create a LOT of good golfers that played in college or at a high level......but he certainly hasn't created a stable of PGA Tour players out of the kids that have passed through his program. And a lot of these kids were very talented and came from families that were willing and able to spend the money it took to reach the highest level their kids were capable of reaching. Yet few of them reached that top level.

In addition, my oldest daughter spent a semester at the IMG Soccer Academy in Bradenton Fl. courtesy of United States Soccer when she was in the National Pool in 2002. On site was was the David Ledbetter Academy and she roomed with a girl that was a full time resident in the Ledbetter Academy. Kids in the IMG academies (which included golf, baseball, soccer, tennis, and hockey at that time) went to school on site for half of the day and trained the other half. They were as close to playing a sport full time as any kids you will find and I can't think of many Ledbetter graduates that went on to PGA or LPGA Tour careers. Maybe you could include Paula Creamer and Sean O'Hair but neither spent much time at the Academy and in Sean's case his learning was on the mini-tours when he was a teenager.

So, I have to agree with Brian.......no.
 
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ej20

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You can discover more tour players if there are good junior programs around but you can't make one.Not even even if you took an exceptional athlete like John Smoltz,Ivan Lendl or Michael Jordan.You can make them very good players but not tour players.Those players are good and they are born.
 
Interesting stuff, otto.

Personally, I just don't see anything wrong with the way somebody like Nicklaus' dad raised him (and how Nicklaus raised his kids Jackie and Gary). Each of them played different sports...which I do think is important. Not only does it not demand the golfer having to play golf, but I think different sports teach different things, whether it be physically or psychologically.





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The south koreans and other asians are proving that that tour players can be created. The environment is very sanitized and industrial.
 

Jared Willerson

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Women and men are two different animals with golf, IMO. If there was a woman who had a short game and putted as good as a mid level tour player, that golfer would be the greatest woman golfer of all time.

Not trying to be sexist (I actually coach HS girls and boys golf), but it is well known that women just don't have the short game and putting skills men do. Partly because so few girls actually play golf. At my club Jr. High and High school boys are always around the putting/chipping/practice green messing around semi-competing and trying to hit different shots. Girls are simply not like that, they view what those guys are doing as goofing off and a silly waste of time, but in reality that is what makes guys better in the short game and putting areas.

If a girl is even practicing, she is on the range hitting 7 iron and driver for hours. They will learn to hit one shot around the greens and they will master it, but the lack of imagination and creativity that has been bred into the boys is missing.
 
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