Is it shut or not? (Manzellacam)

[Brian Manzella]

http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzella/.Movies/shutornot.m4v

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I'd say it's square

 

[Jared Willerson]

It's open..

Just not by the definition of "open" by current pop instruction.

 

[Brian Manzella]

45° open...

It has opened Jimmy.






(PS. Call me later tonight, I need a Chicago update)

 

[rundmc]

What's it look like at delivery?

 

[skevvy1977]

It looks dead shut to me. How could that be open?

 

[Ricky1990]

Look dead shut to me too! :-s!

 

[SOS]

Depends his grip at address. With a strong enough grip it may be square. Otherwise, it looks pretty closed to me.

SOS

 

[blehnhard]

You all are missing the point - at address, the club face is 90* to the plane line. At the top, it is 45* to the plane line. Therefore it has opened 45*. It is only 'closed' using current common golf terminology (correct or not). One would only have to work 'half as hard' to square off at separation from the position in the picture as some one whose clubface lies parallel to the plane line (90* open).

Could be seen as a matter of semantics, but the club has opened 45* to the plane line.

I know for myself, I have always been concerned that I was a little 'closed' at the top and kept trying to get the clubface on the plane line. Hell with it - take it back to a position where you feel comfortable in bringing the club down plane and beat the s**t out or it.

Bruce

 

[metallion]

Shut

Compare it to the flat left wrist. Either lost the grip during the swing or a very strong grip.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

It has opened Jimmy.






(PS. Call me later tonight, I need a Chicago update)

Duh 45*....

 

[Brian Manzella]

Give this man a CIGAR!

You all are missing the point - at address, the club face is 90* to the plane line. At the top, it is 45* to the plane line. Therefore it has opened 45*. It is only 'closed' using current common golf terminology (correct or not). One would only have to work 'half as hard' to square off at separation from the position in the picture as some one whose clubface lies parallel to the plane line (90* open).

Could be seen as a matter of semantics, but the club has opened 45* to the plane line.

I know for myself, I have always been concerned that I was a little 'closed' at the top and kept trying to get the clubface on the plane line. Hell with it - take it back to a position where you feel comfortable in bringing the club down plane and beat the s**t out or it.

Bruce

Best post explaining a Manzella-post of ALL-TIME.

You, are the winner of first prize:

A matching Salt & Pepper shaker from Wendy's.

 

[James Marshall (Hogan1953)]

That yellow line looks perpendicular to the plane line, so has it opened 45º or 90º?

 

[blehnhard]

I was not referring to the "plane line" on the ground, but the blue line in the photo (the plane).

Bruce

 

[rundmc]

I was not referring to the "plane line" on the ground, but the blue line in the photo (the plane).

Bruce

This is probably just semantics . . . and your post rocked too by the way . . . but would it not be 45* to the plane ANGLE?

Don't let me down!!!! Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce!

 

[rundmc]

Some do and some don't . . . Why?

Grip type? Release type?

Here's three dudes that in my mind are the best of all time and primarily played a cut. BM can you give us the analysis on the clubface position at the top and delivery?

 

[rundmc]

 

[Millrat]

Question:

Why does squaring the face at impact/seperation related to work? i.e. it takes less effort to square the face if only opened 45*? Not certain who we're looking at here but I think he might work hard to keep it from closing too much at seperation.

Is CF at work with respect to the clubhead and shaft? i.e. does it close up naturally?

Dosen't feel like work to me.

 

[birdie_man]

Sweet pics...

Look at that wrist on hogan.....

 

[blehnhard]

run - you are correct, the Plane Angle (blue line) in the picture.

Bruce