Is it shut or not? (Manzellacam)

[rundmc]

Sweet pics...

Look at that wrist on hogan.....

Word . . . Looks a little different than Lee Buckle huh?

 

[SOS]

Excuse my ignorance, but what reference are we using to define square? Is 90* to the blueline or parrallel to it?

The clubface in the photo is 45* from either.

SOS

 

[rundmc]

Excuse my ignorance, but what reference are we using to define square? Is 90* to the blueline or parrallel to it?

The clubface in the photo is 45* from either.

SOS

Correct you is . . . but the reference is with regards to the sweetspot and how it lines up. According to Mr. K the swinger using standard wrist action TURNS the palm to the plane and thust the sweetspot lines up with the left arm . . . see the hogan picture. What BM is saying I think is the true flat left wrist is preferred . . . see Jack and Lee buck . . . to the bent and "anatomically" flat left wrist of Hogan. Note the clubface's relationship to Hogan's left arm vs. Buck's and Jack's. It isn't 45* true but it ain't covering the plane angle and in the plane of the left arm either. That's the point . . . I think?

 

[birdie_man]

I dunno man....if I'd call Hogan's wrist Bent. Pretty darn close to flat. Tiny tiny bend in er.....

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I think this is "Manzella-approved" no? Can't see why it wouldn't be.

 

[dbl]

Excuse my ignorance, but what reference are we using to define square? Is 90* to the blueline or parrallel to it?

The clubface in the photo is 45* from either.

SOS

Square, as usual, means 90 degrees to. At address the toe of the club is cutting through the plane, or 90 degrees to it.

In the photo, the clubface is slicing through the plane at 135 degrees or 45 degrees.

 

[SOS]

Ideal Clubface Position at Top

Square, as usual, means 90 degrees to. At address the toe of the club is cutting through the plane, or 90 degrees to it.

In the photo, the clubface is slicing through the plane at 135 degrees or 45 degrees.

Thanks, for clearing that up! It makes sense but was ambiguous until your post.

So is not the "ideal clubface position" 90* open at the top? If so, then the the clubface is 45* closed relative to the ideal /desired /typical (you pick the word) clubface position".

Then again, I will have to go back a read the previous posts, because maybe there is no such thing as an ideal clubface position.

SOS

 

[BigBadDonkey]

I'm probably missing the point but what is the point in saying the clubface is open (which it is of course) . That looks like me at the top, and I suffer from hooks, it is very difficult to keep it that way as everything rotates back counter clockwise on the downswing closing the clubface again. Although I don't like Pop Golf I can see why they *say* it is shut, even though it's not?

 

[SOS]

Agreed...

I'm probably missing the point but what is the point in saying the clubface is open (which it is of course) . That looks like me at the top, and I suffer from hooks, it is very difficult to keep it that way as everything rotates back counter clockwise on the downswing closing the clubface again. Although I don't like Pop Golf I can see why they *say* it is shut, even though it's not?

... - it's shut relative to the ideal/desired/model position but relative to the plane it is open.

To add to the confusion pop golf says a person such as the one in the picture has to work the club from closed to opened in the downswing. Or conversely, a person with a toe down clubface would have to work the club from opened to closed in the downswing. It's no wonder why things a such a mess. Why not just say under or over rotated.

SOS

 

[HOT CHILLI]

What's the bottom line?

Do I really need that info that the clubface is open at the top?
This is the most confusing message that I've ever read( although quite interesting)...
Brian how You'll Describe the clubface in relation to the plane angle at Address?
That's how my clubface looks at the top and I'm really having troubles using horizontal hinge at Impact\Seperation, I "shut" that clubface and hook it, that's why I'm using angled hinge.

 

[HOT CHILLI]

Just do what's right for you? maybe not...

Thanks, for clearing that up! It makes sense but was ambiguous until your post.

So is not the "ideal clubface position" 90* open at the top? If so, then the the clubface is 45* closed relative to the ideal /desired /typical (you pick the word) clubface position".

Then again, I will have to go back a read the previous posts, because maybe there is no such thing as an ideal clubface position.

SOS

Yep maybe there is no such thing as an ideal clubface position, but!
How you'll know if you're on the right track at the top?

 

[dbl]

Yep maybe there is no such thing as an ideal clubface position, but!
How you'll know if you're on the right track at the top?

You can have the clubface in a variety of positions at the top...so there is no "right" track except in relation to all the other things in your swing...or perhaps the things you want in your swing. In any case, you can have the face like that pic has and then do right things or wrong things in the downswing given that position.

Same thing with a toe down position. You can do right things or wrong things in the downswing.

For reference, Beem and Funk have that position at the top, but Scott and Els do not.

 

[Michael Finney]

well

knowing that a "shut clubface at the top" is still "open" relative to its starting position IS important.....to understand the exact nuances of why would probably take a live lesson, a Brian short video, or many paragraphs of marteespeak.....

suffice to say that a matching clubface (to the back of the left hand) makes hitting the ball straight and working the ball much easier to accomplish - and in the long run, much more dependable in my estimation.....

i hate to tell everyone this, but brian has got this thing figured out and if you have one iota of athletic ability, your handicap will drop when you apply his knowledge....

i realize this sounds like salesmanship, but in all honesty, i have seen the fly by nighters come and go, but brian has it figured out.....do yourself a favor and go see him...

 

[tbarbertab]

Yep

i hate to tell everyone this, but brian has got this thing figured out and if you have one iota of athletic ability, your handicap will drop when you apply his knowledge....

i realize this sounds like salesmanship, but in all honesty, i have seen the fly by nighters come and go, but brian has it figured out.....do yourself a favor and go see him...

I'll second that....I was impressed!!