Is there such a thing as not opening/rotating enough of the left forearm

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Here is a better one guys. Jen is it safe to assume you still swing this way?

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jen, like this. Super fade.
 
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jenhaoyen

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There was a lot of hand manipulation for this swing. I tried to do it without any tension this afternoon, my arms weren't as high and I hit the ball pretty good. I let my hand go where the body wants them to go, no restriction on my left forearm. It was pretty amazing, it almost felt like it was popping out, but on the camera, it wasn't. It was still a lil bit inside, but I think if I bend my right arm earlier, it would not hit the wall behind me. I'll post a video soon when I get a chance. For the longest time I thought I had to counter rotate my left forearm all the way up, and it was a disaster. I do think you have to open some in order to be tension free at the top.

ttyl, warm regards

Jeff

p.s. I learned actually a lot from this messed up swing, my tempo is much better and my shoulder turn is much steeper now. :)
Now to Vegas to play, will post video if I get a chance, hopefully I'm not too drunk.
 
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jenhaoyen said:
i'm trying to lower my hands



Kevin: I definitely wants to hit a fade..no more draws for me.
Johnwill: I'm not flexible :/

Lol feels low to me, but it still looks pretty high. should the left arm rotate 90 degrees back? I guess taht's my real question. If you were standing up and the club is infront of you, would your left arm rotate 90 degrees back, and then return 90 degrees back? or more like a baseball player, no rotation and then pull it into a position where you can hit a homerun.
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90 degrees would be too much rotation.If your left forearm is rotated 90 degrees and you were wearing a watch,the watch face would point straight up towards the sky at the top of your backswing....super laid off.

If you had no rotation on your backswing...and I suppose it could be done albeit quite awkward,you would need to add the rotation on your downswing in order to shallow the club back on plane.I believe Jim Furyk does this and Sabbatini is close and I guess you are messing with this idea also.
 
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ej20 said:
90 degrees would be too much rotation.If your left forearm is rotated 90 degrees and you were wearing a watch,the watch face would point straight up towards the sky at the top of your backswing....super laid off.

If you had no rotation on your backswing...and I suppose it could be done albeit quite awkward,you would need to add the rotation on your downswing in order to shallow the club back on plane.I believe Jim Furyk does this and Sabbatini is close and I guess you are messing with this idea also.
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Not quite. Where the watch points is dependent on the rotation of the arm AND the plane of the arm it swings on.

In addition, the term "laid off" in generally used to describe the plane of the arm vs. the plane of the shaft. For example, you can have an upright arm plane and a laid off shaft.

Remember, you are talking to a guy who has been rotating his arm THE OTHER DIRECTION i.e. counter-clockwise.
 
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ej20 said:
90 degrees would be too much rotation.If your left forearm is rotated 90 degrees and you were wearing a watch,the watch face would point straight up towards the sky at the top of your backswing....super laid off.
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Are you suuuuuuuuuure about that? ;)
 
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Jim Kobylinski said:
Are you suuuuuuuuuure about that? ;)
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I'm not, at all. I say that because with my left hand I can hold a can of beer out in front of me and pour one for the homies while pointing my elbow more or less at the ground, and not off to my left.

It seems like you can lay it off pretty good without over-rotating the left arm. Maybe something like this.
 
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GPM1985 said:
I'm not, at all. I say that because with my left hand I can hold a can of beer out in front of me and pour one for the homies while pointing my elbow more or less at the ground, and not off to my left.

It seems like you can lay it off pretty good without over-rotating the left arm. Maybe something like this.
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Not sure if this is consider pop out, but sure makes the swing much easier.
 
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GPM1985 said:
He's just up the wall on the backswing, I think. Do you mean that it makes the swing easier for hitting a fade, or for general execution? Why?
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I think for a while I was doing SD incorrectly, or misinterpreted the pattern.
So Imagine this

Let's say we have a steeper shoulder turn on way back, hands are in as much as they can. Your left elbowpit is now facing the sky and just keep turning your shoulder. I don't know, but to me that's almost next to impossible to hit the ball. You are pretty much at the top with no forearm rotation and you have to flatten it out on the downswing a lot. Compare to lets' say if you just open 45 degrees up the plane, it's much simpler. Not sure...at least for me it's easier.
 
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savydan said:
Not quite. Where the watch points is dependent on the rotation of the arm AND the plane of the arm it swings on.

In addition, the term "laid off" in generally used to describe the plane of the arm vs. the plane of the shaft. For example, you can have an upright arm plane and a laid off shaft.

Remember, you are talking to a guy who has been rotating his arm THE OTHER DIRECTION i.e. counter-clockwise.
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I think you have contradicted yourself.I agree with your second paragraph.To me laid off is having the watch face pointed too much up and you can do that with a flat or upright arm plane.So how is that dependent on the rotation of the left arm AND the plane of the arm it swings on?

Jen is not rotating counter clockwise in his backswing,he is merely resisting any clockwise rotation.The clubface is always open on the backswing.Twistaway merely reduces the amount it is open.
 
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GPM1985 said:
I'm not, at all. I say that because with my left hand I can hold a can of beer out in front of me and pour one for the homies while pointing my elbow more or less at the ground, and not off to my left.

It seems like you can lay it off pretty good without over-rotating the left arm. Maybe something like this.
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You are right because the arm is not rigid.It is indeed possible to rotate the wrist and keep the elbow from rotating.

But when we talk about left arm rotation,the important bit is the lower left forearm rotation because that has the most bearing on how the club behaves.

You have to joking right?Singh has not over rotated his lower left forearm?In the words of Jim Kobylinski,"are you sure about that"? :)
 
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ej20 said:
You are right because the arm is not rigid.It is indeed possible to rotate the wrist and keep the elbow from rotating.

But when we talk about left arm rotation,the important bit is the lower left forearm rotation because that has the most bearing on how the club behaves.

You have to joking right?Singh has not over rotated his lower left forearm?In the words of Jim Kobylinski,"are you sure about that"? :)
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how can you tell, it looks super laid off
 
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ej20 said:
Pretty sure.....unless your idea of laid off is different to mine.

On second thoughts,I am never sure about anything anymore as experience in life has cruelly shown me.LOL
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Your idea of laid off is different than mine too buddy. That dude's in the unemployment line.
 
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jenhaoyen said:
how can you tell, it looks super laid off
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My interpretation of laid off is over rotation of the lower left forearm.You can be over rotated at any point in the swing,not just at the top.

Some peoples interpretation is that the shaft points left of the target at the top of the backswing which can be misleading.
 
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get the clubhead more IN at the top.

your hands are fine.. halfway back they are as far in as they can get.
Think about the other end of the club, the bit that hits the ball.
where is it.
Fluid motion.
Do you lack clubhead control...
 
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