JB Holmes

[ColinMB]

syntax...both nicklaus and holmes added more wristcock in their downswings. period.

Yea, I didn't know the term... I just wanted to point it out, because in my study of his swing, I was just always taken back by how little he cocks at the top, as opposed to halfway down.

It's hard to emulate. Like I said, I've been trying it, and it has mixed results. The first thing I find is you have convince your brain (or my brain, or someone's brain) that you will not miss the ball. It really feels to me like I will misshit by pulling my arm down with a.... weak (loose) wrist. I guess by natural instinct, you want to start tightening everything up, not keep it loose.

I may try this over the winter more as a regular swing thought so I can groove it in over the snowy months up here. I do notice though that many players don't do this at all... do you guys think there are many 300 yard bombers that don't do this?

 

[dashfan87]

One note, that hasn't been made yet... This kid was MADE for the Ryder cup. I would not be surprised if he emerges with the best American record at the Ryder cup, when his career is done and over with. Followed closely by Anthony Kim. The Americans have a hell of a team, for many years to come. I think the Europeans found that out with the arrival of all of our outstanding rookies, with no mental baggage some of our veterans had.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Watching the Ryder cup I thought he looked like a hitter.

Wow!

This guy is pulling so hard it is a joke.

Come on, are you on a rib?

 

[ColinMB]

Wow!

This guy is pulling so hard it is a joke.

Come on, are you on a rib?

Over the top with a closed face?

 

[pecky987]

Yea, I didn't know the term... I just wanted to point it out, because in my study of his swing, I was just always taken back by how little he cocks at the top, as opposed to halfway down.

It's hard to emulate. Like I said, I've been trying it, and it has mixed results. The first thing I find is you have convince your brain (or my brain, or someone's brain) that you will not miss the ball. It really feels to me like I will misshit by pulling my arm down with a.... weak (loose) wrist. I guess by natural instinct, you want to start tightening everything up, not keep it loose.

I may try this over the winter more as a regular swing thought so I can groove it in over the snowy months up here. I do notice though that many players don't do this at all... do you guys think there are many 300 yard bombers that don't do this?

jason zuback. longest drive - 484

 

[mb6606]

Wow!

This guy is pulling so hard it is a joke.

Come on, are you on a rib?

Unfortuantely I did not tape the Ryder cup but Holmes was really thrusting the right arm and shoulder down - taking deep divots. Didn't seem like he was using his left arm - looked more like he was punching with the right hand.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Can anyone explain to me how you "use the right shoulder/arm/hand so much" and still have such a fast hip/shoulder movement.....

thanks

 

[Kevin Shields]

syntax...both nicklaus and holmes added more wristcock in their downswings. period.

What are you saying, that I'm wrong? Cause there is a difference.

 

[pecky987]

Wow!

This guy is pulling so hard it is a joke.

Come on, are you on a rib?

ok brian, how about this.

according to Jorgenson and Zick, to maximise speed and power, you should pull as hard as you can to start the downswing, until the shaft is vertical, then push across the shaft from that point.

now, JB doesnt have much wrist cock at the top, and from face on view, the club points more to the sky as opposed to parallel to the ground or pointing to the ground.

this means that even if he adds wrist cock in the transition, the club will get to vertical alot earlier in the downswing then someone like sergio.

so i agree, he is absolutely pulling like mad to start his transition, but not foras long, because his 'time to push' occurs earlier than others.

so i'd say hes pushing more than he is pulling.

o yer, and we can certainly agree that JB maximises his power

 

[Chris Sturgess]

now, JB doesnt have much wrist cock at the top, and from face on view, the club points more to the sky as opposed to parallel to the ground or pointing to the ground.

this means that even if he adds wrist cock in the transition, the club will get to vertical alot earlier in the downswing then someone like sergio.

so i agree, he is absolutely pulling like mad to start his transition, but not foras long, because his 'time to push' occurs earlier than others.

so i'd say hes pushing more than he is pulling.

That doesn't make sense since Sergio also doesn't cock his wrists and is short of parallel on the backswing too. And "even if" he adds wrist cock in the transition? If? You think he might not? Haha, come on man.

 

[Bigwill]

That post had nothing to do with Sergio, Chris. He was talking about how much JB pulls as opposed to pushes in his downswing.

 

[Brian Manzella]

But I think pecky is very correct.

The "Shaft Vertical to the ground" position IS THE SPOT to start F.A.T.S.

No matter HOW it is you got there.

 

[self-mastery]

But I think pecky is very correct.

The "Shaft Vertical to the ground" position IS THE SPOT to start F.A.T.S.

No matter HOW it is you got there.

It took me 4 years to learn this!!! Cured my over-draw (shhh hook)

 

[ColinMB]

Sorry for my ignorance, but what's FATS? Don't tell me it's a new pizza place or blues bar. But even if it is, I'd eat there if it'd give me more power.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Force Across The Shaft.

Of course Force Along The Shaft could be expressed the the same moniker.

So....