Jim Hardy's One Plane Swing?

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David Alford

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Well, it's not one plane & almost everything on this subject is an oversimplification. I'm a bit guilty of this myself, sometimes refering to Moe Norman's swing as one plane although strictly speaking, it's not.

Regarding back problems with a "body swing", the main problem is incorrect use of the legs. Just turning the hips left puts a huge strain on the lower back. It's simply poor technique.

However, with a hitting motion it is OK to have a small hip turn with little risk to low back problems.

I'm in AUS. now myself, so decided to reply. Great folks down here.
 
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Peter Croker

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quote:Originally posted by DOCW3

quote:Originally posted by Peter Croker

[?]Dear Brian,

As my first time to your forum as a member, I would like to ask
"What do you think of Jim Hardy's "One Plane Swing".

I have read his book but not taken lessons from Jim in person so I do not know exactly his "hands on" teachings (and as we know we can get much more of the truths of a method when getting a lesson from the source of the material.)
All I know is that I have seen several students of the method "downunder" have problems with their backs following their attempts to adopt these principles.

What has been your experience?
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Mr Croker~

With the understanding that you are "The" Peter Croker, I want to thank you for your contributions to this wonderful game.

Next, do you feel there is any relationship of Jim Hardy's One Plane to Mr. Kelley's zero shift? And, are you still teaching the back and up motion described in Hit Basics?

DRW
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Dear Doc,

From the title Jim Hardy infers a "zero shift" What I have a concern with is the right elbow swinging around and to the side of the body.

In regard to our Croker Golf System preferred alignments, I advocate the arms load and release in front of the body. Please check out our latest DVD(Fundamentals Defined) with the preferred mechanics clearly defined.

Hope this helps.

Kind Regards,
Peter:)
 
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Peter Croker

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quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

Welcome Peter

What i don't like about the hardy one plane swing is that you have to STEEPEN your downswing to make it work because the backswing is UNDER the turned shoulder plane at the top of the swing.

Thus you have to have a bent plane line coming into the ball (out/in). You can see this when Olin Browne takes his practice swings:

- big shoulder turn that sucks the club way inside and under plane
- bending the right arm to lift the club to the top but you're too "in" so you can't reach the turned shoulder plane
- slight "steepening" move to reach the TSP but to do that you have to move the shoulder OUT
- which then forces you to come out/in on the downswing.

As long as you angle hinge, it's a perfectly viable pattern...but it's just that. One type of pattern.
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Dear Jim,

I had the good fortune to work with Olin Brown on his short game some years back when he first won on Tour. Even back then his practice swing was an over the top move. It was great to see him doing so well in the US Open last year and I will be interested to see how long he lasts before getting body problems.
Keep Pushing,
Peter Croker:)
 
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