Late vs Early

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wulsy

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There has been some inference on the forum here that there is really no need to hit "late". Is there an example of someone who releases all angles early who hit(s) the ball well?

I know there has been talk that Tom Watson and Jack hit early but I don't see any positions in their swings that really correspond with a truly early hit.
 
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wulsy

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Thanks. I guess that's abou as early as you can be.

How far does she hit it? How does she avoid fat and thin iron shots and is she as early with a half wedge as she is here?
 
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ej20

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A sweep release can work quite well as long as you maintain just enough trigger delay to get shaft lean at impact.What you don't want is a scoopy/flippy impact and poor extension in the follow through to go along with the circle delivery path.

Most associate lots of lag with trigger delay but I think it's possible to sweep release and still hit "late".David Toms has a sweepy release but he still gets a lot of shaft lean at impact.
 
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Tball88

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I think you'll find Lee Janzen and Payne Stewart are pretty sweepy as well. Funny, I worked so hard trying to get trigger delay, and tons of shaft lean, now, I'm trying to work the other way.

Our club champion, looks like he's as sweepy as can be, damn near a stone cold flipper, and just keeps hitting green after green...
 
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ej20

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Tball88 said:
I think you'll find Lee Janzen and Payne Stewart are pretty sweepy as well. Funny, I worked so hard trying to get trigger delay, and tons of shaft lean, now, I'm trying to work the other way.

Our club champion, looks like he's as sweepy as can be, damn near a stone cold flipper, and just keeps hitting green after green...
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You can definitely overdo shaft lean but I think if you ask every instructor you will find for every one that has too much shaft lean,there will be 100 that has too little.The early release,scoopy impact and poor extension in the follow through is epidemic in the hacker world.

There will always be the very good player who flips but in every aspect of life,there are exceptions to the rule.There will always be people who have exceptional hand eye,timing skills and are athletic enough to overcome technical flaws.
 
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Her swing raises interesting questions.

Does her release make a straight left arm/wide arc mandatory to get distance?

Is she using the club more like a telephone pole than a club?

How and when is force across the shaft applied?

Is there something in her mobility, stability, strength, balance that created a tendency to swing like that?

Drew
 
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drewyallop said:
Her swing raises interesting questions.

Does her release make a straight left arm/wide arc mandatory to get distance?

Is she using the club more like a telephone pole than a club?

How and when is force across the shaft applied?

Is there something in her mobility, stability, strength, balance that created a tendency to swing like that?

Drew
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At least for this part, I think the answer is yes. I've read around here that being that upright and wide and a sweep release go hand in glove.

The other stuff, I'm not smart enough to answer......yet.
 
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DCgolf

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There are no elite level players who are early OR late. By definition. Early/late imply a problem. Early sticks it in the ground or hooks it and late skulls or slices it. I'm betting nobody on tour does either very often. EarliER and latER, however, are comparative terms that are more germane to the topic. Me thinks. DC
 
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ej20

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"Late" is only a feel concept to guard against the early hit which in my definition is a sweepy release together with a flippy impact and poor follow through extension.This is sometimes called the hit impulse and is a mental issue as well as technical.

You hear a lot of good players talk about the "late hit".Some learn it very early and some never at all.The late hit is not necessarily a lot of lag but enough trigger delay to hit the little ball before the big one.I believe you can have trigger delay without a lot of accumulator lag.That explains why players like Linsay Gahm and David Toms can play so well without a lot of lag.
 
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DCgolf

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Too early also has to do with right arm straightening or getting long well before impact. In the video hers does not at all. It is wide but not early.
 
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Lindsey Newman

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Don't over think it. Just like baseball, tennis or throwing anything, you create angle angles and release angles. If you create an acute angle you better be able to release it all on the ball or it's worthless. You just need enough shaft lean to expose the sweet spot.
 
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ej20

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DCgolf said:
Too early also has to do with right arm straightening or getting long well before impact. In the video hers does not at all. It is wide but not early.
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Right arm straightening too soon together with a sweep release is disastrous in my opinion.It's imperative for sweep releasers to save all the right arm they can.Snap releasers can get away with a straighter right arm.I don't think Lindsay does this as well as Toms but she does it well enough.
 
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DCgolf

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ej20 said:
Right arm straightening too soon together with a sweep release is disastrous in my opinion.It's imperative for sweep releasers to save all the right arm they can.Snap releasers can get away with a straighter right arm.I don't think Lindsay does this as well as Toms but she does it well enough.
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Yep I agree completely.
 
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