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worked on keeping head back this morning.
however from a dtl view my shoulders just get sooo open at impact. I really tried to force them and keep them closed but they still open up and go around and not up.

Take everything I'm about to type with a grain of salt. I resisted posting on your swing, but gave in because although I feel you have a great setup, I believe we both have a very, very similar problem.

You start out great, but by impact your entire body is rushing to the target. You are definitely going to open everything up. When I lose 'control' of my spine tilt, it is usually because in my brain I'm thinking I need to aggressively smash the ball. Unfortunately that leads to me turning _over_ the ball rather than behind it.

Also like me, when thing start breaking down with the body, sometimes I start to throw the club at the end too.

My instructor has helped me for a year with this. I still 'lose' it and believe it will be a tendency I will always fight. If you can't imagine your right shoulder under plane, maybe the thought has to be more drastic. In my mind you advance your entire body aggressively. Not only does your head move, but you lose your tilt because your body is racing at the ball. When you lost tilt, you come in outside/in. (at least I do)

Try to 'quiet' your body a bit. Target the inside of the ball. Let your arms do MORE work and your upper body a little less. Another trick that used to give me the 'feel' was an oldy, but it works for some people: Take your right foot back and plant it behind you and take some swings. This stops your body from getting too far in front of you (because you simply can't do it in this position.)

At the end of the day my best solution for this problem has been to take a heavy club and take several (I mean 10) s-l-o-w swings concentrating on right shoulder DOWN not around your body. My club finishes higher too.. .and I know I am on the right track. After 10 of those I will hit a few, then alternate back and forth and it does work.

You might be like me in that you need to *feel* this work. Someone can tell you mechanically what to do until their blue in the face. If you can't feel it, it doesn't register.

Sorry for the longwinded response. I am not an accomplished golfer by any stretch, and there's a great possibility you should ignore me. :D But I felt compelled to share my experience because I've spent a year trying to solve it and have had some very good instruction on it.

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I have found in my own experimentation and research that VERY few of us can aggressively advance our lower body towards the target without our upper body following suit.

The greatest modern day example I can find of the type of guy who can do this is Ernie Els:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TbFragrJDo

Note his head is WAAAAAY behind the ball. It's like he's pinned it in place behind the ball. Note how quiet is upper body is while he lets his arms pass his upper body BUT check out his hips, they are virtually facing the target. There is lots of video down the line of Ernie doing the same thing and you can really see his hips turn through the shot while retaining a 'quiet' upper body.

Just my two cents.
 
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i will chime in birdie, but having worked with medici, he has a neutral grip, and he informs me he has for a while, and it does get pretty flat at the top

His grip in his latest videos to me looks strongish (turned from vertical) and cupped at top pecky...???

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medici...

That actually does look better. It seems obvious enough now that I look at your old clip and then both of em together. Where did you get the idea for pitch elbow??
 
i can make it flat but then i get really closed!!
i dont know...i just decided to try it..and when it works...it works.
i feel more comfortable with a slightly stronger grip
 
Medici, I hope that you hurry up and get your swing where you want it because I am getting vertigo from watching all of your clips. :)

Jim S.
 
I think you would have better axis tilt if you got on your left foot more at impact and you're still moving forward but I really like the JL shirt:)
 
"just trying to do a more like pitch elbow...and it seems to be effecting everything for the better."

The change "pitch elbow" made for me was amazing. I read Brian's thing about trying to get like Johnny Miller on downswing (right elbow in front of left on downswing) and had an enormous swing transformation in 30 minutes.
 
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I'll have to try this "pitched elbow" thing as my path is killing me right now. I'm closing the face easily at impact thanks to NSA, but I'm ending my swing too early. I'll have to try this.
 
well i thought id cured it, but i couldnt do the pitch elbow atall today!!

shortgamer.....if i get on my left foot more i just get even more ahead of it.
 
I think I remember Brian mentioning that the pitch elbow is not for everyone, and some people are better off not trying to force it.
 

Jared Willerson

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I think I remember Brian mentioning that the pitch elbow is not for everyone, and some people are better off not trying to force it.

But I think he was referring to very few people. I think he said something like 85-90% of people should be able to do it.
 

Brian Manzella

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Almost.

But I think he was referring to very few people. I think he said something like 85-90% of people should be able to do it.

Actually, probably only 15-20% should ACTUALLY do it.

The 85-90% is folks who probably need something more like Punch elbow.

But, almost everyone should try it. You never know.
 
well i thought id cured it, but i couldnt do the pitch elbow atall today!!

I think you and I have a lot of the same issues. The weird thing is sometimes I can do pitch elbow and I hit the ball as well as I possibly can hit the ball and other days I really struggle with this. Time for me to go see Brian again!
 
Actually, probably only 15-20% should ACTUALLY do it.

The 85-90% is folks who probably need something more like Punch elbow.

But, almost everyone should try it. You never know.

Since I'm having issues, I also tried this, and I got a weird result from it. I was hitting irons very hard (harder than I normally swing for certain), but I was also laying divots you could bury an elephant in. Interesting to it though.
 
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