"left side sag that Hogan talked about...

[tourdeep]

....in the letters he wrote..."

Would anyone care to shed some light on these letters?

And,,,regarding sag,,,is it left side lean toward the target at the top of the backswing bordering on, and if not, a reverse pivot action?

For those that may have said he has this sag, was this attributable to something Birdie has mentioned and I have thought about as well, that there was potentially more weight distribution inside the left shoe of hogan's toward the top of the backswing? I am not saying that he has more weight on the left, but more than we think...

And Hogan (younger) and Nicklaus (somehere on this site) at the finish with what appers to be a bunch of weight on the trail foot! Could sag cause this? Or just a byproduct of the reverse C?

 

[Spike]

....in the letters he wrote..."

Would anyone care to shed some light on these letters?

And,,,regarding sag,,,is it left side lean toward the target at the top of the backswing bordering on, and if not, a reverse pivot action?

For those that may have said he has this sag, was this attributable to something Birdie has mentioned and I have thought about as well, that there was potentially more weight distribution inside the left shoe of hogan's toward the top of the backswing? I am not saying that he has more weight on the left, but more than we think...

And Hogan (younger) and Nicklaus (somehere on this site) at the finish with what appers to be a bunch of weight on the trail foot! Could sag cause this? Or just a byproduct of the reverse C?

Could this be the start of another, yet, deeper discussion of the pivot?

 

[David Alford]

I have my doubts about the authenticity of the "letters". I corresponded with Mr. Hogan, and it certainly wasn't the type of writing I got from him, which were neatly typed on letterhead stationary. Plus, his signature on those letters was different.

 

[birdie_man]

There are threads about this from before too.

 

[David Alford]

Incidentally, a promise I made Mr. Hogan will be fullfilled next year...

 

[birdie_man]

What would that be David?

(but will you tell us...)

 

[David Alford]

It was a personal promise, the basis of which was I thought his swing should live forever, rather than being a historical thing...

 

[Brian Manzella]

The letters.

Not verifiable.

This is from very good sources.

Doesn't matter, because hogan HAD some left side sag at times TO PRODUCE CERTAIN EFFECTS.

Rememeber gang, a reverse-type pivot will always make a good player REACT more under the club (this goes for most average golfers as well).

 

[Spike]

Not verifiable.

This is from very good sources.

Doesn't matter, because hogan HAD some left side sag at times TO PRODUCE CERTAIN EFFECTS.

Rememeber gang, a reverse-type pivot will always make a good player REACT more under the club (this goes for most average golfers as well).

As you know Brian I'm a junior here and don't have all the lingo down. Would you explain "under the club" and the reactions?
Thank you,
spike

 

[Brian Manzella]

You are junior?

The right forefinger should be BEHIND and thus--because the club is moving DOWN plane--on "top" of the sweetspot on the downswing.

Reverse Pivot type backswings TEND to make the golfer less under AND MORE ON TOP at the top of the swing, and so they REACT and work it under.

Part of this reACTion is the EXTRA TILTING that is needed EARLY in transition, to produce the SAME impact axis tilt.

 

[DOCW3]

Not verifiable.

This is from very good sources.

Doesn't matter, because hogan HAD some left side sag at times TO PRODUCE CERTAIN EFFECTS.

Rememeber gang, a reverse-type pivot will always make a good player REACT more under the club (this goes for most average golfers as well).

Are you referring to the shoulder turn being steeper because the right shoulder is "planed" higher during the pivot?

DRW

 

[Brian Manzella]

Are you referring to the shoulder turn being steeper because the right shoulder is "planed" higher during the pivot?

DRW

That is certainly a part of it....

 

[Spike]

The right forefinger should be BEHIND and thus--because the club is moving DOWN plane--on "top" of the sweetspot on the downswing.

Reverse Pivot type backswings TEND to make the golfer less under AND MORE ON TOP at the top of the swing, and so they REACT and work it under.

Part of this reACTion is the EXTRA TILTING that is needed EARLY in transition, to produce the SAME impact axis tilt.

Thanks man, would Monty be a good example of one who does it well?

 

[shootin4par]

It was a personal promise, the basis of which was I thought his swing should live forever, rather than being a historical thing...

you are cruel, to dangle carrots like this and then pull it away. So if you let us in on some of it this year would that not fullfill the promise?

 

[birdie_man]

It was a personal promise, the basis of which was I thought his swing should live forever, rather than being a historical thing...

A personal promise....with the man....cool.

 

[DOCW3]

The right forefinger should be BEHIND and thus--because the club is moving DOWN plane--on "top" of the sweetspot on the downswing.

Reverse Pivot type backswings TEND to make the golfer less under AND MORE ON TOP at the top of the swing, and so they REACT and work it under.

Part of this reACTion is the EXTRA TILTING that is needed EARLY in transition, to produce the SAME impact axis tilt.

Always thought the amateurs problem was that their reverse tilt was so much greater than the better player that they just had too far to go and couldn't do it ( achieve a sufficient impact tilt). I understand PP3 being on top of the sweet spot in the down stroke but not the rest. Sounds like you could be indicating the advanced player's major concern is different than the amateur. Not sure if you are saying the advanced player with an intentional “left side sag” makes a correction involving PP3/sweet spot but can’t see the amateur doing it from their poor pivot position.

HELP!

DRW