Brian Manzella
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How do ya'll feel about how LONG a backswing should be?
The longer the better??
The longer the better??
Length of backswing?
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Good question Brian. I was going to ask you about this. I have been thinking in terms of having a fullish shoulder turn but a shorter arm swing. By fullish shoulder turn I mean 90* . I can turn my shoulders quite a way past this but have a feeling that this is not a good idea. Do you recommend not going past 90* with the shoulder turn? Also I have been working on stopping the arm swing when the shoulder turn stops. In the past the arms continued to go up when the shoulder turn stopped. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks.
long as in wide? Or stretching out left arm as long as possible? Or maximum number 4 accumulator ?
I am more consistent when my left arm is winding around my body, I 'lift' my arms more ,fan my right forearm and my body turns around the spine. Doesn't feel long.I can't copy the wide and around style of the tour pros. If it feels like a lift and can turn the pivot, that is long enough for me.
Depends on the pattern being used I guess.
For a hitter you will have a very hard time "pushing" with right arm if swing is too long and hands arc to the top as they pass right shoulder (then you need to drag from the top, watch out, component mixing :\ ).
For a swinger it is not as important as you are going to be pulling from the top. I guess the danger is going too long and overloading ones structure at the top
For a hitter you will have a very hard time "pushing" with right arm if swing is too long and hands arc to the top as they pass right shoulder (then you need to drag from the top, watch out, component mixing :\ ).
For a swinger it is not as important as you are going to be pulling from the top. I guess the danger is going too long and overloading ones structure at the top
rwh
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Brian,
Ever since you showed me the Twist Away move, I have never worried about the length of the backswing -- it just stops automatically which, for me, is at a point where my hands are just above the back shoulder. Before the Twist Away, the left arm tended to break down and I was way too wristy and the length of the backswing was inconsistent.
So, my answer is -- for a full swing, the backswing should be only as long as proper mechanics permits for the individual.
Ever since you showed me the Twist Away move, I have never worried about the length of the backswing -- it just stops automatically which, for me, is at a point where my hands are just above the back shoulder. Before the Twist Away, the left arm tended to break down and I was way too wristy and the length of the backswing was inconsistent.
So, my answer is -- for a full swing, the backswing should be only as long as proper mechanics permits for the individual.
Archie Swivel
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For me, the longer backswing sometimes makes me reverse my spine toward the target at the very top- shrugging my right shoulder. If I stop short of parallel, I maintain my spine angle better.
6-A-4. The left arm bends if and when it is carried--NOT THROWN--closer than about 45 degrees to the Shoulder line. So, according to Homer, the backswing should be limited by throwing, rather than carrying, the left arm up, back, and in, because he also says in 6-A-4, that until after Follow-through, the Left Arm is never bent, the Right Arm is never straight.
I think for me the longer I attempt to make my backswing, the more I am liable to lose spine angle. The thing I really liked about the video of your driver swing (the first one)is that it employed a relatively short backswing. That's encouraging for someone with an inflexible upper body such as mine.
The longer, the better, as long as you are able to maintain proper spine angle, no sway and in balance......do the John Daly!
I however, cant maintin the proper spince angle....How do you stop the "lift" of the arms towards the end of your backswing????? Its killing me (well, not really...but my shots suck).
I however, cant maintin the proper spince angle....How do you stop the "lift" of the arms towards the end of your backswing????? Its killing me (well, not really...but my shots suck).
What's the purpose of the backswing? To go back as far as you can? Not so. It is more important to properly set pp3 either for hitting, which is behind the shaft so you can have a direct line to the ball OR have pp3 under the shaft so you can pull a karate chop horizontal hinge into impact. It doesn't matter the personal flexibility of the golfer if pp3 is set correctly.
Archie Swivel
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Would it be a correct to say that the longer a backswing is, the flatter it should be? (to maintain spine angle)
Hitter or swinger, it comes down to keeping the hands and chest turning through together (see Hogan's top of swing position) - vs. the benefits of width, and the timing requirements of 'keeping the spoke straight' - and ensuring the proper sequence of lag - from the ground up.
If you can keep the lag pressure points, have the tempo to keep the hands and chest together, then wider and longer is better, just harder to do.
Swingers will tend to want a longer swing than hitters IMO.
If you can keep the lag pressure points, have the tempo to keep the hands and chest together, then wider and longer is better, just harder to do.
Swingers will tend to want a longer swing than hitters IMO.
Very good description. I didn't turn the forearms enough on the backstroke, and even would roll back the forearms a bit on the backswing. I was trying to have pp3 face the plane line, but that is not really compatible or easy with swinging. Understanding that it is a rotating lag pressure point, an that the weight of the club is atop pp3 at the end of the backstroke, has facilitated loading lag, and deliver a straight line path to the ball, instead of 'chasing' with a circular motion.
Still foggy about hinging , but at least I feel this is a step in the right direction.
It is my belief that your body has two stations on the backswing - Your lower body sets by knee and hip action and your upper body stretches over that by means of moving the hands .... I believe your maximum backswing is set by means of how far you allow your lower body to set to... since the shoulders by themselves over a zero hip action doesn't go far....
Secondly - You must maintain your extensor action and really stretch out that backswing with the proper right arm motion....
Wherever the club is now.... its your length of backswing....
Secondly - You must maintain your extensor action and really stretch out that backswing with the proper right arm motion....
Wherever the club is now.... its your length of backswing....
I think the backswing is OVERRATED! Just kiddin <g>
This is somewhat of a trick question in my opinion. For less than full strokes the length of the ON-PLANE backswing should be no more, or no less, than the amount needed to assure the appropriate amount of downswing acceleration for the shot at hand.
For the full swing, the END of the backswing, IMO, can be as long as you want if you can maintain balance, rythym and return the club to the pre-determined Top position for start-down.
For me, a dramaticaly long backswing causes a loss of posture which leads to balance and rythym problems. My swing gets 'out of synch'.
This is somewhat of a trick question in my opinion. For less than full strokes the length of the ON-PLANE backswing should be no more, or no less, than the amount needed to assure the appropriate amount of downswing acceleration for the shot at hand.
For the full swing, the END of the backswing, IMO, can be as long as you want if you can maintain balance, rythym and return the club to the pre-determined Top position for start-down.
For me, a dramaticaly long backswing causes a loss of posture which leads to balance and rythym problems. My swing gets 'out of synch'.
LAWS describes 3 types of swings. Leverage, like Pavin, Weir, Duval. Arc, like Cink, Payne Stewart. Width, like Stadler and Manzella. Given this, it seems that there is no universal standard for length of backswing. It correlates to the type of swing, flexibility, and body type you have. Width swings are shorter...Arc are longer.
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