Length of backswing?

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ragman

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quote:Originally posted by dene

LAWS describes 3 types of swings. Leverage, like Pavin, Weir, Duval. Arc, like Cink, Payne Stewart. Width, like Stadler and Manzella. Given this, it seems that there is no universal standard for length of backswing. It correlates to the type of swing, flexibility, and body type you have. Width swings are shorter...Arc are longer.

-Greg
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If these "LAWS" were universal laws, why does John Daly swing so far back?

How does Hal Sutton get the club past parallel?
 
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quote:Originally posted by ragman

quote:Originally posted by dene

LAWS describes 3 types of swings. Leverage, like Pavin, Weir, Duval. Arc, like Cink, Payne Stewart. Width, like Stadler and Manzella. Given this, it seems that there is no universal standard for length of backswing. It correlates to the type of swing, flexibility, and body type you have. Width swings are shorter...Arc are longer.

-Greg
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If these "LAWS" were universal laws, why does John Daly swing so far back?

How does Hal Sutton get the club past parallel?
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This isn't about some universal LAW. It's an acronym for different types of swings based on body type. L=leverage A=Arc W= width. The reason Daly can swing so far back is because he has the flexibility to do so. Dene is referring to the book "The LAWs of the Golf Swing." I believe (not positive mind you)in a discussion of the book that David Laville (GSEM) said that some of their theory was TGM based. I was actually thinking of bringing that up here as a topic because it seems that the LAWs description of the Width swing sounds a lot like a hitting stroke.
 
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ragman

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quote:Originally posted by dclaryjr

quote:Originally posted by ragman

quote:Originally posted by dene

LAWS describes 3 types of swings. Leverage, like Pavin, Weir, Duval. Arc, like Cink, Payne Stewart. Width, like Stadler and Manzella. Given this, it seems that there is no universal standard for length of backswing. It correlates to the type of swing, flexibility, and body type you have. Width swings are shorter...Arc are longer.

-Greg
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If these "LAWS" were universal laws, why does John Daly swing so far back?

How does Hal Sutton get the club past parallel?
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This isn't about some universal LAW. It's an acronym for different types of swings based on body type. L=leverage A=Arc W= width.
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I know. I was making a point.

quote:The reason Daly can swing so far back is because he has the flexibility to do so.
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Exactly. Which would negate the THEORY that all 'wider' builds are inflexible and all tall and slight build people are very flexible.
 
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Matt Taylor

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I don't know the answer to this question, but I know my golf game improved significantly when I stopped worrying about whether the club got to parallel or not.

Maybe if my arms were as long as Carlos Francos, I'd have a longer backswing. I think it's easier for people with long arms to have a long backswing, if that makes any sense.

Curious to see where Brain's going with this...
 
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DDL

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quote:Originally posted by Matt Taylor

I don't know the answer to this question, but I know my golf game improved significantly when I stopped worrying about whether the club got to parallel or not.

Maybe if my arms were as long as Carlos Francos, I'd have a longer backswing. I think it's easier for people with long arms to have a long backswing, if that makes any sense.

Curious to see where Brain's going with this...
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I think Brian just likes to use the word slack :)
 
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dclaryjr

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quote:Originally posted by ragman

Exactly. Which would negate the THEORY that all 'wider' builds are inflexible and all tall and slight build people are very flexible.
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Ahh, then you're introducing something new to the discussion. And I agree--J.D. is the poster boy for disproving the stereotype.
 
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EdZ

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J.D. is the poster boy for Alex Morrison's approach (or as close as any modern pro). There is a lot of merit to his views, especially for the average player. Better players will have a harder time with precision however due to the strong lead grip.
 
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hue

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quote:Originally posted by hue

Good question Brian. I was going to ask you about this. I have been thinking in terms of having a fullish shoulder turn but a shorter arm swing. By fullish shoulder turn I mean 90* . I can turn my shoulders quite a way past this but have a feeling that this is not a good idea. Do you recommend not going past 90* with the shoulder turn? Also I have been working on stopping the arm swing when the shoulder turn stops. In the past the arms continued to go up when the shoulder turn stopped. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks.
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Brian: I have given up with trying to shorten my swing and am getting better results going back to my fuller action. Shortening the swing had a bad effect on my timing and made me want to hit it rather than swing it. You have a lot of posts giving opinions now. What are your thoughts on the subject and why did you raise the subject in the first place? I would like confirmation that I am on the right lines not shortening my swing. Thanks.
 
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hue

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

How do ya'll feel about how LONG a backswing should be?

The longer the better??
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Brian: This thread made it to page 3 and was heading towards the thread graveyard. What are your thoughts on the subject? thanks.
 
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ryantiff

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In Chuck's ebook, he talked about hands on the same level as the right shoulder will have advantage. On the right forearm takeaway with the shoulder turn together, I can sense my hands at the back shoulder level. When look at the video, the left arm is around 43 degree, the right elbow is not as far out from the body but when coming down, my right shoulder can come down quite easy, then I try to use my left arm to release the power #2 and #3. Is such a short, lower hand, flat swing correct?
 
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mb6606

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A boxer gets tremendous power with the right arm bent in close to the body using a shoulder/right arm extensor thrust.
Certainly not a long back swing.
 
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Mathew

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I thought perhaps why Brian is asking this question is do with the difference between hitting and swinging. Swingers tend to have longer backswings than hitters....

There is no way that Daly could use the axe handle hitting procedure with his backstroke...
 
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bantamben1

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i think if you are using extensor action you can go back as far as your flexibility allows without breaking down or losing balance
 
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