Long Forgotten...How GREAT the King's Swing was!!

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lia41985

lia41985

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multi--Yup, you're referring to Episode 5 of the Manzella show. I don't like using a lagging clubhead takeaway. I think I'm just struggling to keep my motion dynamic because I'm not using the ground enough. I think I need to let my right knee straighten some on the backswing and let the left knee straighten some on the down and through swing. Pair that with lighter grip pressure, horizontal hinging, and down plane right shoulder and contact, I should be good to go. We'll see. I'm going to work on it today, hopefully.

With regards to tennis, I use the stretch shortening cycle on all strokes but volleys and can hit some really nasty, heavy shots. My fitness was the only thing holding me back from playing better, but I'm working on that now.

Hopefully I can make the same gains in my golf game.

Thanks, Brian for posting the video. It was truly eye-opening and inspiring. I hope you can chime in with regards to what I'm asking.
 
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Quick question about his footwork in his beautifully dynamic swing though. What happens at the very end of the video to his left foot? It seems to be spinning out, but how can that happen if he's shifted into his left side? I have a pretty inflexible left ankle after breaking it snowboarding last year and when my left foot spins like that, I'm pretty sure I was reverse pivoting and staying back on my right leg. Obviously you don't see any of that on Palmer so I'm curious, since spinning it out does reduce the stress on my ankle.
 
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You can have left foot spin out even if you get to your left side, like Arnold does . Look at how hard he's swinging. This happens to Tiger too.
 
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Right out of the Manzella setup article:
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nwb

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Hi - I'm still learning on this site so forgive my ignorance. He seems to be aiming way out to the right at address and comes way inside and points across the line at the top. Then he seem seems to come over the top and the ball starts straight. Can someone explain why that is a good thing?

Thanks
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For me, an interesting thing looking at the down-the-line, is how Arnie's arm plane is lower than his his shoulder plane--what would normally considered a "flat arm position". But Palmer's steep shoulder turn and dynamite pivot get his hands to the Turned Shoulder Plane. That's really interesting to see! Maybe Aaron Baddeley should check this out!
 
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nwb said:
Hi - I'm still learning on this site so forgive my ignorance. He seems to be aiming way out to the right at address and comes way inside and points across the line at the top. Then he seem seems to come over the top and the ball starts straight. Can someone explain why that is a good thing?

Thanks
NWB
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His feet are closed but I don't see his body aimed to the right. I think it may look like he's coming over the top from the way the hands go back inside after impact but that's the way they're supposed to travel. I bet Brian likes this swing because of the pivot and the straight plane line. Arnies making the club do what it do:)
 
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kshoren--Look at the front view video and tell me his upper body is leaning left. If you do, you're lying. Once he transitions into his downswing, yes he moves left with the lower body and has that "lean left" look, but he's not ACTUALLY leaning left. I'm starting to think that one of the benefits of "Stack and Tilt", in addition to helper who swing too far right, is that it helps players develop a more powerful transition move, but possibly at the expense of a flat backswing that tends to produce hands that don't reach the Turned Shoulder plane.
 
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What was the one story about Ben and Arnie? Ben was complaining about how Arnie got an invite to the Masters and Arnie ended up winning that year. Boy, in your face Ben. I'm loving this thread. So glad Brian posted this video. Thanks again!
 
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Leaning Left

lia41985 said:
kshoren--Look at the front view video and tell me his upper body is leaning left. If you do, you're lying. Once he transitions into his downswing, yes he moves left with the lower body and has that "lean left" look, but he's not ACTUALLY leaning left. I'm starting to think that one of the benefits of "Stack and Tilt", in addition to helper who swing too far right, is that it helps players develop a more powerful transition move, but possibly at the expense of a flat backswing that tends to produce hands that don't reach the Turned Shoulder plane.
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Might Palmer be leaning left without actually being left? Looks to me like his whole lower body except below the knee of the left leg has moved back under him. Not a reverse K look.
 
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I think what you're seeing is an illusion due to the steep shoulder turn. Watch his left foot. Through his backswing, the left foot rolls towards the right foot. The weight is transferring to the back foot. To me, it looks like Arnold's turning around his spine and using the back leg as a "post". However, his transition may also contribute to that "lean left" look.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Look whether or not he's leaning left and/or has a reverse pivot LOOK the thing is he ELIMINATES ALL THAT NONSENSE IN THE TRANSITION!

As i posted in jest ;)
 
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not disagreeing with you

lia41985 said:
I think what you're seeing is an illusion due to the steep shoulder turn. Watch his left foot. Through his backswing, the left foot rolls towards the right foot. The weight is transferring to the back foot. To me, it looks like Arnold's turning around his spine and using the back leg as a "post". However, his transition may also contribute to that "lean left" look.
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That's what I meant by leaning left without being left. His weight may be all or most on the right, but his upper body does not appear behind his lower body.
 
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I knew that would get a rise out of you guys=) Look through the thread, those were all observations made by other people and I forgot to mention the straight right leg! Anyhow, I don't think he is 'leaning left' however he does appear more on top of the ball than what is considered orthodox and, as indicated by others, has that look.

BTW Jim, I think he looks more like Snead than Hogan...their patterns are very similar with exception of Arnold's patented head leaning swivel!
 
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I cannot understand why some forum members think that Palmer is leaning left at the end-backswing position.

See - http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/Palmer.jpg

At address, his head is behind the ball and vertically above a point that is just inside his right foot - secondary to rightwards spinal tilt.

At the end-backswing position, his head is lower and even further to the right, and the green dotted line shows the likely position of his spine, which is tilted well to the right. The upper torso is obviously NOT left of the lower torso.

Jeff.
 
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