Long Hitter - Very Little Lag

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Archie Swivel

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I realized something about the 'pull the dart through the aft corner' thought today-- it does not work very well if the 'dart' isn't pointing to the target line just before and after parallel at the top. Somewhere in my devotion to obtaining a proper elbow position at the top and proper right wrist bend, I developed an extremely arching left wrist. I noticed today that on the tee box instead of the butt of my club pointing to the target line on the way up to what I thought was parallel, it was pointing to my freaking golf cart. Imagine the track the pointed end of the dart must track if you want to pull it through the aft corner when it begins pointed way out above and beyond the target line---result = 'over the top' shanks which I have now rid myself of! I hope this helps one person out there who did not know why they shank trying to achieve lag.

ArchMan
 
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MizunoJoe

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Arch,

It's possible to arch the left wrist and still aim at the ball by using single wrist action rather than standard wrist action.
 
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Archie Swivel

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Mizuno,

You mean target line, not ball, right? And you do agree that above waist-level on the backswing and below parallel at the top, that the butt of the club should point to the target line?
 
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MizunoJoe

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Arch,

The club points at the ball in the straight line delivery path - 10-23-A #2. As long as the you get the club pointed at the ball at the onset of the straight line delivery, what does it matter where it points before that?
 
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Archie Swivel

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Mizuno,

Brian, quoting Doyle said, "The FOUR laws of golf:

1. Law of the lever- no portion swings forward independently
2. Law of the triangle- always a triangle, even with one side shorter
3. Law of parallels- club either points to plane line or is parallel to it
4. Law of force and motion- movement towards the center creates one away from it

I am going to address this in my next lesson with Brian, but I took #3 above to mean that the clubhead pointed at the target line until parallel at waist-level, then the butt of the club pointed to the target line until parallel at the top, if you went past parallel the clubhead would again point to the target line, the butt would point to the target line on the way backdown until waist-level, then the clubhead would point to the target line until your arms were both straight on the follow-through, then the butt of the club would point to the target line after that until you struck your finish position.

If I have misunderstood this law, then somebody please tell me or else I'll wait to ask Brian.

Arch
 
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MizunoJoe

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Uh guys,

Look at 10-23-A #2. If I get there and deliver in a straight line, how do I "whiff it"? I wonder why I've never done that. In many good golf swings, on the backswing, the clubshaft actually traces a curved 3-d surface, and many of them have the butt of the shaft pointing inside the plane line. For example I watched Hubert Green win the 77 US Open and he would get the shaft pointing BEHIND himself on the backswing. Go to golfdigest.com and look at Furyk, who on the way back, has the shaft vertical, such that if he dropped it, the butt end would land on the TOE LINE. Of course Arch's #3 is in TGM, but the reality is that many don't adhere to it on the backswing.
 
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Archie Swivel

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Mizuno,

Because you would probably need to give me 5 strokes a side if we played, I will refrain from defending my position too vehemently. I was, however, trying to state that strict adherence to TGM says that except when parallel, either the butt or the clubhead (via pp#3) will always point at the target line. I try to find authority for my golf swing movements in TGM. I have found no authority for deviating from the above-stated principal on a standard shot. I do realize that this is not THE WAY, but is A WAY. I was really looking for reinforcement from those knowledgable about TGM that I was correct in my belief.

Archie
 
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lagster

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ArchieSwivel,

I understand what you are saying. If the shaft is pointing too horizontally during the backswing... some type of adjustment would have to be made TO GET IT BACK ON PLANE ON THE DOWNSWING. Raymond Floyd looks to me like he is able to recover nicely from this type of position... with a lift of the arms after this positon is passed.

I do see quite a few excellent players with the butt of the club in the opposite position on the backswing... pointing inside the plane line. You may need to FEEL like you are pointing INSIDE THE LINE for a while, in order to get the shaft pointing more at the plane line.

The camera angle, of course, must be correct, if you are checking this with a camera.
Also, a friend could probably SEE this type of thing, if you are way off.
 
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Brian Manzella

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quote:Originally posted by Archie Swivel

Mizuno,

Brian, quoting Doyle said, "The FOUR laws of golf:

1. Law of the lever- no portion swings forward independently
2. Law of the triangle- always a triangle, even with one side shorter
3. Law of parallels- club either points to plane line or is parallel to it
4. Law of force and motion- movement towards the center creates one away from it

I am going to address this in my next lesson with Brian, but I took #3 above to mean that the clubhead pointed at the target line until parallel at waist-level, then the butt of the club pointed to the target line until parallel at the top, if you went past parallel the clubhead would again point to the target line, the butt would point to the target line on the way backdown until waist-level, then the clubhead would point to the target line until your arms were both straight on the follow-through, then the butt of the club would point to the target line after that until you struck your finish position.

If I have misunderstood this law, then somebody please tell me or else I'll wait to ask Brian.

Arch
Click to expand...

You have it right, Arch...except NOT the clubhead...the tip end of the shaft...;)
 
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Archie Swivel

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Brian, now the question is while the lower of either the butt end or the shaft tip is pointing to the plane line, where is the higher end pointing to? Obviously into space for the most part, but my question is where does it intersect your torso-- e.g., your shoulders? You should write an article on this-- there's already a 5-page thread on this site on swing plane that I'm sure noone wants to rehash. At address the shaft tip points just behind the ball to the plane line and the butt end points at your belt buckle. Does the whole plane SHIFT or does the plane ANGLE just change. Or does the plane really intersect at your belt buckle? Doesn't seem like it could really SHIFT if always intersects the target line.

Arch
 
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matt

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The plane's baseline is the Plane Line, which usually lies on the target line.

The baseline stays the same regardless of Plane Angle. So as you shift, the plane just moves steeper or flatter while the baseline (Plane Line) stays constant.
 
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