birdie_man
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Ya he plays (or played) hockey in the AJHL. Hard slapshot I heard. (makes sense)
Longest Hitter in Golf History
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Ya he plays (or played) hockey in the AJHL. Hard slapshot I heard. (makes sense)
birdie_man
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BTW big clubhead yes but he hits the SS on a super long-shafted driver.
At his level I am sure he could do OK with persimmon.
I am surprised no one has brought up Mike Austin.
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BTW again.........if you really want to see the goods you need to see his face-on:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h-5zCB4Lzw&feature=channel&fmt=18[/media]
At his level I am sure he could do OK with persimmon.
I am surprised no one has brought up Mike Austin.
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BTW again.........if you really want to see the goods you need to see his face-on:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h-5zCB4Lzw&feature=channel&fmt=18[/media]
Jim Kobylinski
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In my best I-talian voice....Baloney!
You are a perfect example of what golf club marketing has done to people. There is only 1 exact "sweetspot" on a club PERIOD.
Now what has changed through driver and even iron technology is the forgiveness on OFF-sweetspot hits. That has improved where as with a persimmon driver maybe you would lose (throwing out hypothetical numbers for an example) 5mph of ball speed for a 1/2" miss of the sweetspot and with today's driver heads you migh only lose 3mph of ball speed.
But don't be fooled; there is only 1 sweetspot on the head and that spot isn't always in the center; most of the times it is closer to the heel which is why a lot of iron heads these days are being designed with toe weights and shorter hosels to try and move the sweetspot to be more in line with the center of the face.
Jim Kobylinski
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Assuming a 205mph ball speed and perfecto contact; you are looking at 136.6mph of swing speed. However this isn't realistic; more than likely the contact is more at the 1.475 rangish which is a figure i have come up after lots of research to be a more realistic number of efficienct contact and you get a swing speed of 138.9mph.
But that realistic number is based more on shorter 45" drivers and very good players who aren't swinging completely "all out." So i would tend to lower that smash factor for a long driver to maybe 1.45. Using that you end up with 141.3mph of clubhead speed for a 205mph ballspeed of a long driver using a much longer shaft and also the effect of going "all out" on every swing.
But that realistic number is based more on shorter 45" drivers and very good players who aren't swinging completely "all out." So i would tend to lower that smash factor for a long driver to maybe 1.45. Using that you end up with 141.3mph of clubhead speed for a 205mph ballspeed of a long driver using a much longer shaft and also the effect of going "all out" on every swing.
thefuture37
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you are the perfect example of a golf contrarian. how are you defining the "exact sweetspot"? how about the gear effect and the spring of metal faces vs wood?
Jim Kobylinski
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I am not an engineer so i can't pretend to explain it correctly; yes the COR effect has increased from wood to titantium; however that doesn't mean the sweetspot has increased in size. The bigger sweetspot is a marketing gimick to define a lower loss of ball speed for off sweetspot hits as i have already explained.
Let me state for the record; sweetspot sizes haven't increased however the forgiveness of off-sweetspot hits have.
Thus you are penalized LESS for off-sweetspot hits with todays equiptment than you would be with older equiptment.
Here are some numbers, from Cobra's website:
Jamie Sadlowski – Open Division Champion
Driver - Cobra Speed Pro D
Loft - 4.5
Shaft - House of Forged
Ball Speed - 217mph
Club Speed - 145mph
Launch - 12 degree’s
Spin Rate - 1800 rpm’s
Dan Boever – Senior Division Champion
Driver - Cobra Speed Pro D
Loft - 5.5
Shaft - Graphite Design QuattroTech Md-6x
Ball Speed - 200mph
Club Speed - 134mph
Launch - 11 degree’s
Spin Rate - 2100 rpm’s
Other Cobra Players in the top 8 semi-finals
Jason Zuback – Cobra Team Member and 5 Time World Long Drive Champion
Driver - Cobra Speed Pro D
Loft - 4.5
Shaft - Graphite Design PM 702x
Ball Speed - 215mph
Club Speed - 144mph
Launch - 11 degree’s
Spin Rate - 1900 rpm’s
Jamie Sadlowski – Open Division Champion
Driver - Cobra Speed Pro D
Loft - 4.5
Shaft - House of Forged
Ball Speed - 217mph
Club Speed - 145mph
Launch - 12 degree’s
Spin Rate - 1800 rpm’s
Dan Boever – Senior Division Champion
Driver - Cobra Speed Pro D
Loft - 5.5
Shaft - Graphite Design QuattroTech Md-6x
Ball Speed - 200mph
Club Speed - 134mph
Launch - 11 degree’s
Spin Rate - 2100 rpm’s
Other Cobra Players in the top 8 semi-finals
Jason Zuback – Cobra Team Member and 5 Time World Long Drive Champion
Driver - Cobra Speed Pro D
Loft - 4.5
Shaft - Graphite Design PM 702x
Ball Speed - 215mph
Club Speed - 144mph
Launch - 11 degree’s
Spin Rate - 1900 rpm’s
thefuture37
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i wonder how well those guys can hit irons
Jim Kobylinski
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1.50
1.49
1.49
Smash Factors above; i'm guessing these are their "longest hits" and not their average. Mighty impressive to be basically at PERFECT CONTACT at 130-140mph of swing speed.
Jim Kobylinski
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I believe Zuback did a exhibition thing earlier this season on TV with Bubba and others. He ended up hitting i think a 400 yard drive on a par 5 right in the fairway. Then skulled his sand wedge over the green.
All 3 are listed as scratch on the Pinnacle website. Take that for whatever it's worth, though.
NextTiger19
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I met Zuback a few years ago when the Telus skins game was in whistler, he was hitting 5 irons off a tee box about 20 yards ahead of where they actually played from, and his 5 irons were carrying the bunker stephen ames hit a driver into
Kevin Shields
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I can see the appeal, certainly. Especially in this generation. But I'll be interested when someone can hit it 400 yds and in that grid 9 out of 10 times. I'd rather watch Nick Price hit 6 irons to the same little quadrant of a practice green 180 yds away 7 days a week over some freak show. I watched Pfister do a clinic. Am I the only one that thinks that 300 in the air doesn't look that much different than 350 in the air? So what's so fun about watching it?
Notorious B.E.N.
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I agree Kevin.
At the Colonial Invitational this year (saw phil's wedge shot)
me my dad and my brother followed Bubba Watson and Justin Leonard.
On one par 4 Justin hit a perfectly straight driver right down the middle.
Bubba pulled out a 2 iron and hit a beautiful shot that started out extremely
low to the ground and soared upwards but it still didn't get very high up.
Went past Leonards ball 10 yards. With a 2 IRON!
Bubba hit a fat wedge in the water.
Justin hit a low draw 9 iron to 12 feet.
Bubba pulled out his driver next hole and I was about to pee myself.
Wasn't what I expected. Looked like a normal drive. High draw.
I got more enjoyment watching Corey Pavin shape shots on the range than
Bubba letting the big dog eat.
birdie_man
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You make a good point.........
Dynamicism is part of the whole deal but in the end control and repeatability (ideally with power) make up The Holy Grail.
There's probably more to learn studying the great ballstrikers than the big bombers.
(for those of us concerned with scoring)
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