Looking for advice on driver swing

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sharkey35

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Had just a terrible range session yesterday, two way misses - right to right and left to left. I've never posted my swing before and maybe I should wait until the Owl is up and running, but someone has to see something here. I can't describe it, but in trying not to tug, I think I'm making a weird transition move, which throws off my timing. A lot of toe hits. Historically, I have swung too far to the right, but when I try to swing left, I think I don't maintain the face angle and wind up taking out the third base coach. In any event, any thoughts are welcome, I've got a few months before the season starts. Thanks for any thoughts.


ps, irons were a small draw, but livable
 
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softconsult

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The temptation is to come back at you with observations. I would like to challenge you to tell us what you see in the video based on some of the topics covered on this forum. Like spine angle and sequencing.

Steve
 
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sharkey35

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Sure. I had a problem in the past with an aggressive move with the body, leaving the club behind and either pushing it way right or snapping it closed. I recently did Kvest for the first time and my sequencing was actually pretty good (although on a different day). So, I'm trying to let the club drop a bit and not go straight at the ball. Body movement, to me, looks like I've got too much going on, most of it not helping me. Never consciously thought about spine angle while swinging.
 
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softconsult

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Play your video. Put the tip of your finger on your right butt cheek. Advance through using play and pause. Notice how the gap between your finger tip and your butt cheek grows as you stand up and loose your spine angle (tilt forward) way too soon. Find a few down the line tour player swings and compare. Internet is loaded with cures for this common ailment.
 
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Sequencing is king. It matters right from the get go. When you initiate the backswing is your shoulder girdle starting the backswing with the hips following it or do they start simultaneously?

The former could be the cure
 
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We must lock up our Goats.

Sharkey35, you have a problem.

I am afraid that your start down consists of a mid-pelvis thrust at the ball (Goat humping) as your right shoulder comes out and over the top.This whilst you stand up and fall away from the target.

Drill by focusing on swinging down slowly whilst keeping your tush in contact with a fixed object - a wall, say.
 
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You may benifit if you figure a way to keep the right hip back as you start your shoulder turn and side bend down to the ball. The excessive hip thrusting, extending,goat hump, what ever you may call it, can be a misunderstanding of proper sequencing. See lots of this with players trying to fire the lower body. You could try a thousand differant tips. I recomend some lessons.
 
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art

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sharkey35 said:
Had just a terrible range session yesterday, two way misses - right to right and left to left. I've never posted my swing before and maybe I should wait until the Owl is up and running, but someone has to see something here. I can't describe it, but in trying not to tug, I think I'm making a weird transition move, which throws off my timing. A lot of toe hits. Historically, I have swung too far to the right, but when I try to swing left, I think I don't maintain the face angle and wind up taking out the third base coach. In any event, any thoughts are welcome, I've got a few months before the season starts. Thanks for any thoughts.


ps, irons were a small draw, but livable
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Dear sharkey,

The video suggests to me that your standing up is a major 'involuntary' reflex reaction to your bodies desire to maintain dynamic balance.

The 'small draw' with the irons is IMO the result of reduced dynamic balance requirements from the changes in club length, proximity to the ball at address, and the reduced centripetal forces from the lower club head speeds.

Please try a Google search on "Bumpy Back versus Diagonal Stance", and then "Bumpy Back, Keep What Back", for the background that I hope leads you to trying BBKIB.

Sincerely,
art
 
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GaryRead said:
Sequencing is king. It matters right from the get go. When you initiate the backswing is your shoulder girdle starting the backswing with the hips following it or do they start simultaneously?

The former could be the cure
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My thoughts as well.

Sharkey, how long is your driver?
 
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sharkey35

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Standard length BRZ 9.5 on the open setting.

Art, thanks for the reply. I have read your posts with great interest (here and elsewhere) and I know how deeply you believe in the BBKIB. I have tried it, but I think I struggle with understanding the KIB part. I will tell you that the BB part helped my wife immensly with limiting a big hip slide. I'm just not sure I have a firm grip on carrying out the KIB part. If you keep your rt hip back, doesn't that promote a throw from the top? Maybe that's what I need.

BTW, my name is Bob. I registered so long ago I don't even recall what the heck Sharkey35 stands for. Thanks for the observations guys. BTW, I've got a thick skin and willing to do whatever it takes to change it - so fire away with criticism. My goal every year is to get to a single index and to break 80. Got to 10.2 and then back up over 11 last year. Best score? You guessed it, 80. Driving is holding me back. Every round has a couple of drives that just kill me.
 
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Kevin Shields

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When the hands are chest high in the backswing, your body is almost still in its address position. This poor sequencing, late or incomplete turn, coupled with the under rotated face in the backswing has you trying to stand up and shallow the club out. Perfect recipe for a two way miss. Would like to see face on.
 
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Your body loses its angles way too soon.

Picture a line drawn around you a couple inches above your belly button. At your address position, which looks pretty darn good, set everything below that line in concrete mentally and don't try to use your legs so much to add power. Your legs attempt to add to the shot are NOT creating much if any real speed but the ARE adding a lot of inconsistency to your path and forcing you to try to save shots too much with your hands.
 
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Kevin Shields said:
When the hands are chest high in the backswing, your body is almost still in its address position. This poor sequencing, late or incomplete turn, coupled with the under rotated face in the backswing has you trying to stand up and shallow the club out. Perfect recipe for a two way miss. Would like to see face on.
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Kevin was spot on with my swing and the stand up downswing and he's spot on with yours too. It has taken me about a year to begin to really understand and make the necessary changes while working on my own. If you want faster results, I strongly suggest getting with one of the Manzella instructors on a regular basis.
 
BrendanC

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Sharkey are you trying to create 'coil' in the backswing?

How much tension/resistance do you feel in the backswing?

*Amateur opinion!*
 
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sharkey35

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My only "new" thought on the backswing was to try to keep bend in my right leg. The weight was getting to the outside of my right leg. I didn't get a face on last Saturday b/c there was someone in the next hitting bay. Here is a F/O from a few months ago. My guess is that not much has changed.

 
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