Looking for drills for club face rotation at and through and after impact

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Archimedes

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I am right handed. I have a problem with my left wrist bending at and after impact. Teachers usually get me to do small chip shots keeping my left wrist flat, but then they have been no help in a larger swing. I found out in a lesson Saturday with a newer better teacher that my problem is that I have not been rotating my left wrist and instead have been "laying back" my clubface as the clubhead passes the hands early. And then faking my hand rotation way too late. With weaker, higher shots as a result. Part of this is that I have had an incorrect idea of horizontal hinging and have been keeping the club face pointing along the clubhead path too long. I need to rotate my hands, keep my left wrist flat and get the toe of the club pointing in the direction of the clubhead path sooner.

I am looking for a description of a drill, a youtube video, or a link to a thread, or even a tip for what to search for, to find some drills that would help me with this. I have found some pinch drills and some punch drills. I am looking for small chipping drills to work on my flat left wrist and then more 9 to 3 type drills to work on my hand rotation.

Thank you.
 
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How about I explain a little more. Imagine the clubhead at impact. Right now, after impact, my clubhead is not closing very much and my hands are not rotating very much. After impact, my clubhead is passing my hands as the left wrist bends and the clubface lays back, and the clubface continues to point toward the direction the clubhead is moving on an arc. I am looking for a drill that helps me keep my left wrist flat at and after impact as I then rotate my hands, helping me to hit the ball lower and with more compression.
 
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Be careful about developing tunnel vision on what the hands are doing. The other components also need to support what you want to do. The lower body needs to be stabilizing, the upper needs to be open and the hand path needs to be working up and in. Developing a handle drag is NOT what you want to do, but easy to do when you lock in on just the "look" of what you're after.
 
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I will be careful. I agree that my shoulders need to be opening, my spine needs to maintain inclination, my chest needs to be staying back, and I need my hand path to be up and in.
 
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Brian Manzella

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To start with, I would NOT recommend trying to keep the left wrist flat on small chip shots as the FIRST RESORT to learning to "line the club up for impact."
 
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Not trying to line up the clubface for impact. I am trying to learn to go from toe up to toe up, instead of toe up to face up.

I do not slice. My problem is not directional. My problem is too much clubface layback. Too much loft at impact.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Arch,

I said "Line the CLUB up for impact."

We really don't like advertising for other teachers on this site, but since John and Jim are good friends of mine, that's ok—this time.



Please explain why you think what the clubface does through the ball will have any bearing on where the ball goes......


:)
 
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I deleted my youtube references.

BM: "Please explain why you think what the clubface does through the ball will have any bearing on where the ball goes." My answer is that when the club shaft is angled more toward the target, the clubface is less lofted, and the ball goes lower than when the clubface is less lofted, or in my case, laying back.
 
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Brian Manzella

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"Laying Back".....

Are you talking Hosel Lean? As in the HOSEL is leaning forward a certain amount at impact, ala "LINING THE CLUB UP FOR IMPACT."

??

:)
 
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Archimedes

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By laying back, I mean that after impact, as the clubhead passes the hands too early, the clubface points to the sky, and lays backward away from the target.
 
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Brian Manzella

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You mean—quite simply—lack of clubface rotation.

After impact.....it doesn't matter.


99.99999999999999999997% of the time, if the clubface is point "up" past impact, it was pointing right AT impact.
 
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I have been thinking about that. Maybe I need to work on my pivot and my hands. If I pivot more and extend my arms more, then the club will have less of a chance to lay back. I have been looking at the two below swings quite a bit. I like that they are slow motion and that you can see the clubheads fairly clearly after impact. They pivot really well. They extend their arms really well. And they rotate the toe of the club to the target way before the shaft gets to parallel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzy_Zd72jpU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-0h_x_YV50

Wow. Those guys are good. I need to do what they are doing. And it looks so easy to do.
 
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Brian Manzella

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At impact, the clubhead is closing about 2400° per second on the LOW END of a good player swing range. Even 1500° for the biggest hack at the range.

Ain't nobody laying the thing back, per se.
 
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