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Can anyone get better (lower their handicap) by simply "understanding" what they are meant to be doing in a fundamentally solid swing?

I have produced quite a number of instructional videos both for conventional and TGM based teachers and witnessed many lessons with people demonstrating their swings prior to conducting these lessons.

There is one basic flaw common to practically all and not one person has been able to really change any part of this when it has been identified.

In real terms they go away and get worse because trying to introduce a new concept over the old pattern has chaotic results.

I have also seen lousy actions belonging to guys off quite low handicaps (4ish) but who can repeat this like clockwork and have good short games.

You can certainly break 80 if you play a lot and keep the ball 'in play' but even if you understand exactly what you should be doing it does not mean a thing if you can't actually do it!

If Brian can take someone and change their action to a better pattern with a lesson or two it does not matter if they "understand" what they are meant to be doing in as much as they can change what they are currently doing!

You may actually hit the ball more solid etc. but...

Will it result in an improved handicap - I would think your handicap is predetermined by your short game and abillity to keep the ball in play.
 
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Keep listening to Brian....he knows how to help you...

Twist and tilt....it's dy-na-mite training for ALLLL of that list 30yr......real good training.

Keep with it.

I like this:
The reality is.....it's going to take awhile to undo and ingrain these changes into MY swing
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I like that....find YOUR swing (after you've got the Twistaway down- cause that means everything is educated basically).....try to get a handle on some tendencies that can be worked into a pattern.

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BTW I've been here for years.....been tryin to build a game for myself for years before that (pretty obsessively).....and well....I do things prolly slower than most (due to being super thorough and anal- 1 step forward....find something not perfect....3 steps back....over and over trial and error...thorough)....

....but the point is.....I prolly work as hard as anyone really could....and I'm still figuring things out. I've got a pretty solid game goin now.....but still learning and experimenting and tweaking.

So...

GOOD LUCK. You have the ability BTW....(cause old men can hit golf balls solid and straight....lol....)

As David Alford has said: "Ever hit a perfect shot? Good! Well then....you CAN do it again and again and again."

(it's possible...and- it's worth it)
 
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30yrlayoff said:
I am so obsessed with becoming a good golfer ...
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That's the most important part!!!

Truly tho....I think it is. I don't know that I can think of any other piece of advice that is so universally important....everything else stems comes from that...
 
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Despite being cursed with a lack of playing time, I have not had a score above ninety since taking a lesson from an AI and working with Brian's videos. Last year, playing more, I broke 90 one time. TGM principles provide a road map that creates amazing consistency. My golf shots have improved in distance and direction. While I still have throwaway, evidenced by a similar lack of distance as 30 year, it is constantly getting better. Even though I am changing my swing pattern, I have not suffered from an immediate worsening in my game, as has occurred in the past. As Brian has indicated,, the change is immediate. 30 year will improve as long as he stays far away from any "theories" and trusts the change. I played this weekend with a beginner who was reasonably athletic. Just suggesting better clubface control tremendously improved his shots. Brian's posts on this topic are right on, stick with it and watch the scores drop.
 
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Luv u 2 Boss!

Brian Manzella said:
This man (30yrlayoff) and the countless 1000's I have helped over the year, all basically had the same problem:

H O R R I B L E -- M E C H A N I C S

The list of this 30yr was doing wrong was LONG, but, if he keeps working on it, he'll be fine.

The REAL REASON the NATIONAL HANICAP never gets any better, is becuase THOSE WHO HAVE THE ANSWERS (like me) don't have "the mike."

Imagine the JUNK we have debated recently on this site:

1. Whether or not the head should move
2. Whether or not the turned shoulder plane IS the turned shoulder plane
3. Whether or not "right forearm" takeaway is right for everyone
4. Whether or not you should be a hitter or a swinger
5. Whether or not a real FLAT LEFT WRIST is "good form"

Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!

The reasons golfer's stink are:

1. HORRIBLE GRIPS
2. BENT LEFT WRIST at the TOP
3. SUPER OPEN CLUBFACEs at all points in the swing
4. NO AXIS TILT to speak of
5. THROWAWAY
6. NO REAL PIVOT through the ball

Fix 'em folks, then all you'll have to do is control the path and the clubface a bit more and you will BREAK 80!!!
Whew.
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I appreciate and agree with what you are saying, Brian. However, my point centres on commitment - and that is what "Average Joe" don't got.

The guys who were fortunate enough to find you and then beat a path to your door are commited, they care and they will work on their game to gain improvement - even if that entails going backwards initially. Been there, doing that!

"Average Joe", however, will continue to whale away at, and spend a fortune on, Range Balls until he realises that he is not getting better. He will buy new equipment, read every "Tip du Jour" he can lay his hands on and still not improve. His commitment is as brief as his determination and his results will remain average.

Those commited to finding the answers and working on the procedures necessary to obtain better results will do just that - but they are in the minority and certainly not average.
 
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Trinity said:
Can anyone get better (lower their handicap) by simply "understanding" what they are meant to be doing in a fundamentally solid swing?

I have produced quite a number of instructional videos both for conventional and TGM based teachers and witnessed many lessons with people demonstrating their swings prior to conducting these lessons.

There is one basic flaw common to practically all and not one person has been able to really change any part of this when it has been identified.

In real terms they go away and get worse because trying to introduce a new concept over the old pattern has chaotic results.

I have also seen lousy actions belonging to guys off quite low handicaps (4ish) but who can repeat this like clockwork and have good short games.

You can certainly break 80 if you play a lot and keep the ball 'in play' but even if you understand exactly what you should be doing it does not mean a thing if you can't actually do it!

If Brian can take someone and change their action to a better pattern with a lesson or two it does not matter if they "understand" what they are meant to be doing in as much as they can change what they are currently doing!

You may actually hit the ball more solid etc. but...

Will it result in an improved handicap - I would think your handicap is predetermined by your short game and abillity to keep the ball in play.
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What a solid hit, all round good post that says it all in a manner we can surely all relate to.

BTW: What is the "one basic flaw common to practically all"? I might just have it.
 
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The most common flaw is quite scary if you think you can get better by reading golf instruction - not one person can do what they think they are doing.

If instructed to take a specific grip, static set up, take away, downswing, impact alignment (or whatever) it always becomes their own interpretation of it which ranges from slightly off to grossly off.

When a student looks at their own swing video play back (or even set up) they are nearly all unpleasantlly surprised, even horrified!

However, there is one common pattern that emerges time and time again - I wonder if anyone would like to guess what this is?
 
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The most common flaw is quite scary if you think you can get better by reading golf instruction - not one person can do what they think they are doing.

If instructed to take a specific grip, static set up, take away, downswing, impact alignment (or whatever) it always becomes their own interpretation of it which ranges from slightly off to grossly off.

When a student looks at their own swing video play back (or even set up) they are nearly all unpleasantlly surprised, even horrified!

However, there is one common pattern that emerges time and time again - I wonder if anyone would like to guess what this is?
 
Bill Miracle

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For an update...see thread "finally, mashed the ball today"

I'll start another thread vs. posting today's results in this one.
 
mrodock

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Burner said:
I appreciate and agree with what you are saying, Brian. However, my point centres on commitment - and that is what "Average Joe" don't got.

The guys who were fortunate enough to find you and then beat a path to your door are commited, they care and they will work on their game to gain improvement - even if that entails going backwards initially. Been there, doing that!

"Average Joe", however, will continue to whale away at, and spend a fortune on, Range Balls until he realises that he is not getting better. He will buy new equipment, read every "Tip du Jour" he can lay his hands on and still not improve. His commitment is as brief as his determination and his results will remain average.

Those commited to finding the answers and working on the procedures necessary to obtain better results will do just that - but they are in the minority and certainly not average.
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Beautifully said, agree completely!
 
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I guess I should clarify....

what I meant by "avg.joe" was....average ability, average athleticisim, average intellegence, etc...

My original question was centered around expectations for a person like this to begin to play decent.
 
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Trinity said:
The most common flaw is quite scary if you think you can get better by reading golf instruction - not one person can do what they think they are doing.

If instructed to take a specific grip, static set up, take away, downswing, impact alignment (or whatever) it always becomes their own interpretation of it which ranges from slightly off to grossly off.

When a student looks at their own swing video play back (or even set up) they are nearly all unpleasantlly surprised, even horrified!

However, there is one common pattern that emerges time and time again - I wonder if anyone would like to guess what this is?
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Steering.

Trying to hit the ball straight at its intended target.
 
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