Manzella attends Jim Hardy seminar..with review!
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swingeasttowest
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Nice write up Brian. So Hardy's swing looks like an Arnold Palmer type???
Jim Kobylinski
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The zero shift swing and the hardy "one plane" are completely different ideas.
jeffy
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In an old thread called "Complete Junk", Brian gives an audio analysis of Quinton's exceptionally lame attempt at "explaining" the Hardy one and two-plane swings. Brian explains that in TGM terms, Vijay's "one-plane" swing is a double-shift pattern and Toms' two-plane is single-shift (if I remember correctly!).
tourdeep
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Hardy's setup...
http://www.golfdigest.com/instruction/index.ssf?/instruction/gd200505swingplane4.html
regarding Hardy 2-plane setup, the stance appears almost too narrow, at least imo. The "mature" coffin shopper player tends to have narrow stances while those near the embryo stage typically have a wider stance, with a more powerful (athletic) setup. Hardy's swing promotes the athletic types for his 1ps.
http://www.golfdigest.com/instruction/index.ssf?/instruction/gd200505swingplane4.html
regarding Hardy 2-plane setup, the stance appears almost too narrow, at least imo. The "mature" coffin shopper player tends to have narrow stances while those near the embryo stage typically have a wider stance, with a more powerful (athletic) setup. Hardy's swing promotes the athletic types for his 1ps.
tourdeep
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"In an old thread called "Complete Junk", Brian gives an audio analysis of Quinton's exceptionally lame attempt at "explaining" the Hardy one and two-plane swings. Brian explains that in TGM terms, Vijay's "one-plane" swing is a double-shift pattern and Toms' two-plane is single-shift (if I remember correctly!)."
Here it is...
http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1905
Here it is...
http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1905
jeffy
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Brian-
I've been looking at swing sequences of Snead and Hogan, as well as other "one-planers" in Hardy-speak, in particular looking at the right elbow and its relationship to the "shirt seam". Hardy proscribes as the initial move in the takeaway pulling the right elbow back to the seam, which also flattens the left arm against the chest. Jacobsen seems to do this, as do Hogan and Snead, though with them it is less obvious.
In contrast, many other "one-planers" seem to get the right elbow back later in the swing during the transition or even the downswing, when the body rotates counterclockwise and the arms fall "behind" the chest, something John Schlee says he learned from Hogan and calls the "world-class move" in his book Maximum Golf. This move is very visible in Sergio's swing.
My question is: what are the equivalent of these two moves under TGM, as well as the advantages and pitfalls of each?
Thanks,
Jeff
I've been looking at swing sequences of Snead and Hogan, as well as other "one-planers" in Hardy-speak, in particular looking at the right elbow and its relationship to the "shirt seam". Hardy proscribes as the initial move in the takeaway pulling the right elbow back to the seam, which also flattens the left arm against the chest. Jacobsen seems to do this, as do Hogan and Snead, though with them it is less obvious.
In contrast, many other "one-planers" seem to get the right elbow back later in the swing during the transition or even the downswing, when the body rotates counterclockwise and the arms fall "behind" the chest, something John Schlee says he learned from Hogan and calls the "world-class move" in his book Maximum Golf. This move is very visible in Sergio's swing.
My question is: what are the equivalent of these two moves under TGM, as well as the advantages and pitfalls of each?
Thanks,
Jeff
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Brian Manzella
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The "Dreaded" Pitch Position Elbow!
Jeff,
Look at the Middlecoff sequence, does that qualify as the postion that Hardy says "no good player gets in."
Jeff,
Look at the Middlecoff sequence, does that qualify as the postion that Hardy says "no good player gets in."
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