manzella neutral grip
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Brian Manzella
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Funny stuff.
Anyhoo, a grip where the visually flat left wrist is a dead match to the clubface is the PERFECT grip for a lot of folks.
And not so good for others.
I'd bet his friend would do fine with it.
It is easier to strengthen it, than to weaken it.
Now, changing the club position in the hand to about 10° stronger is probably more adjustable to all patterns, and even up to 30° is great in some patterns.
Not to mention angle to the shaft changes.
I like to be more specific with grips, and I may to a whole video on the grip one day.
I despise the tern "strong single action," anyway.
Speaking only for myself, I found switching to the the BM neutral from a pretty strong grip to have been the most decisive thing in fighting below plane and swinging out to right field. I'm not sure why, but it felt that esp. with the weaker right hand my back shoulder wouldn't round off and drop so much in the backswing.
Still, anyone have the link to the original BM posting?
Still, anyone have the link to the original BM posting?
Michael Finney
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Do yourself a favor? Where do you come up with this stuff? Who are you?
I took a quick look at your posting history and noticed that you haven't had a good thing to say about our host yet. Why do you come to this site if you are in such disagreement with everything offered?
Maybe you should DO YOURSELF A FAVOR and leave this site and frequent your own board - believe me, they are in dire need of action.
You should take a strong single action and leave forever. Have a great day
Michael
Matt 4-L
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No problem, I have that article saved on my hard drive just in case I need a refresher. It is also pretty much the same grip as Hogan describes in 5 lessons. The only thing I would add to that grip which Brian doesnt mention in the article is to keep the thumb and forefinger together so you don't create a pincer action and activate the tendons in the upper part of the forearm, plus I think Hogan advocated a thumb position on top of the grip and Brian just to the side of center which I like better.
Michael,
I don't think thats totally fair.Once upon a time Mandrin was the most hated poster on this site...and now.....
I hope this site will always be a discussion forum and not a private club where members just pat each others back all day long.
I don't think Brian would want that as nothing new will ever be learned.
I don't think thats totally fair.Once upon a time Mandrin was the most hated poster on this site...and now.....
I hope this site will always be a discussion forum and not a private club where members just pat each others back all day long.
I don't think Brian would want that as nothing new will ever be learned.
Jared Willerson
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ej,
Some people come here and post because they have an agenda, and they are told to come here and start trouble because their "leader" directs them to.
Mandrin had no agenda, he simply disagreed with the science, and in the end was proven right.
"Book Literalist" terms being thrown around like they are gospel according to "some other site". They want to come here and argue strong single action vs. Brian's preferred grip. That is not debate, that is trouble making and they can go to their own "collegial" yellow book snob site and bask in their chapter and verse book snobbery.
They can also look like dorks and hit balls with water bottles on their head.
Some people come here and post because they have an agenda, and they are told to come here and start trouble because their "leader" directs them to.
Mandrin had no agenda, he simply disagreed with the science, and in the end was proven right.
"Book Literalist" terms being thrown around like they are gospel according to "some other site". They want to come here and argue strong single action vs. Brian's preferred grip. That is not debate, that is trouble making and they can go to their own "collegial" yellow book snob site and bask in their chapter and verse book snobbery.
They can also look like dorks and hit balls with water bottles on their head.
Jared Willerson
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Something similar.....
BTW, good to see you posting again.
BTW, good to see you posting again.
Michael Finney
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on the money
it doesn't take too long to separate the mandrins from the burnitups....trust me
vjsinger
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Pincher Action and TENSION Question???
I have a question about the "pincher action" you described...sorry I dont have the 5 lessons book so, I am not sure if you mean that Hogan advocated this or if you(Matt F.) advocate it. One thing I have learned about this site is that there aren't many generalizations for much of anything, as the point of playing your best golf lies in specific customization of YOUR particular pattern. But, I'll still ask the question anyhoo..just for the people that it may or may not benefit. Would activating the tendons in the upper forearm(left) be a good thing?? My take is, If you are trying to create as much speed as possible(full swing) AT the ball...Wouldn't this ACTION HINDER Speed AT the ball?? Only Subject matter expert opinions please.
I have a question about the "pincher action" you described...sorry I dont have the 5 lessons book so, I am not sure if you mean that Hogan advocated this or if you(Matt F.) advocate it. One thing I have learned about this site is that there aren't many generalizations for much of anything, as the point of playing your best golf lies in specific customization of YOUR particular pattern. But, I'll still ask the question anyhoo..just for the people that it may or may not benefit. Would activating the tendons in the upper forearm(left) be a good thing?? My take is, If you are trying to create as much speed as possible(full swing) AT the ball...Wouldn't this ACTION HINDER Speed AT the ball?? Only Subject matter expert opinions please.
I never posted much in the past few years mainly because this site was principally TGM based when it started.I did question a few areas of TGM in a nice way but members here were loyal to Brian so I stopped posting as there was no point.I love TGM by the way but lets face it,nothing is 100% correct and beyond question.
I remember agreeing with Mandrin when he was taking on the whole board with his argument against the heavy hit but it was taken the wrong way due to the fact he was in such a sensitive state being ganged up and bashed upon.hahaha
Matt 4-L
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This is from 5 lessons. Pincer action is bad for the golf swing. Pincer action is simply pinching your thumb and pointer finger together. Try this, pinch your thumb and pointer finger together like you are squashing a fly and place your other hand on top of your forearm and you will be able to feel the tendons activate. This will kill your swing. That’s why you should have them next to each other like in 5 lessons, if they are opposite of each other you may apply pressure between the two somewhere in the swing. I have come to really believe this is a major fundamental in the grip. I can tell you only what works for me but if I don’t keep an eye on this in my grip I will use this pincer action at the top of my swing and an over the top move usually is the result for me. If I make sure I keep my thumb and forefinger together I have to keep pressure between the top of my left thumb and right palm to keep the grip together but if I have pincer action I usually separate right there at the top.
So many questions Mikey, all in good time my friend.
I didn’t realise that becoming a cheerleader for Brian Manzella was one of the terms and conditions of registration.
For the record, I am not in disagreement with everything that is offered.
I have my own board now? Why didn’t someone tell me sooner?
Question: why doesn’t Ice-Cream-Finney employ “The Manzella Neutral Grip”?
Ask Ben Doyle what he thinks of it the next time you see him, or doesn’t his opinion matter any more.
Kind regards,
Paddy
Michael Finney
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well...here we go.....
tell us who you are and we can have a great discussion about the golf swing....until then, stfu and post on your homesite...
tell us who you are and we can have a great discussion about the golf swing....until then, stfu and post on your homesite...
i like calling the grip that matches the face "neutral." makes it easier to define what is strong, weak, etc.
just a better system in my opinion.
Brian Manzella
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