manzella neutral grip

[Jim Kobylinski]

Here's the main issue

I believe Manzella's neutral grip to be truly neutral due to how the hands are put on the club. This was once a very popular grip as brian has shown in various pictures in this thread. However somewhere along the line this particular neutral grip became stronger, or more turned and now you see "neutral" grips advertised as "neutral" when they are in fact turned slightly on the grip. If you don't believe me, try and put your "Manzella Neutral" grip on a "training grip." You can't, it's been turned.

IMO here is what i believe:

"Manzella Neutral" = Real neutral
Hands turned left of "Manzella Neutral" = Real Weak
Current Neutral = slightly strong, hands are turned to the right slightly
Current Weak = "Manzella Neutral" or hands turned left of "Manzella Neutral"
Current Strong = very strong, hands turned significantly to the right

The problem with all this nonsense is that somewhere along the line, "neutral" became "slightly strong" (imo) but they continued to call it "neutral"

 

[Guitar Hero]

Country Fried Chicken=weak grip, Crispy Fried Chicken = neutral grip and Extra Crispy Fried Chicken= strong grip I bet you will remember these names! Give them a try!

 

[birdie_man]

Larry The Cable Guy is funny.

BurnItUp is a joke.

Really.

You have been on this site since '07.....you just snapped now? What the hell took you so long.

 

[birdie_man]

Brian I usually like to see a good competition.....more of a competition.....but on this, I for one think you should at LEAST keep running up the score if needed.

BTW for anyone (if there is anyone, and there surely is) who may be thinking there has been a lot of crossing over into "back-patting" or even "Kool Aid Drinking" (God forbid)...

It doesn't mean anyone can't question or "dissent" whenever they see apporopriate either.

I am fully capable but I've simply gotta give credit where it is due.

And whether he needs it or not (or sometimes even wants it), Brian deserves some support from time to time too.

 

[birdie_man]

What a joke!

Neutral is a great name. Personally I like that it goes against the grain. (mainstream) To me, Brian's term makes more sense and it always has. Why wouldn't you want to use vertical as a reference point?

Or how about "matching".....?

Take your pick.

Holy [expleitive]. Seriously.

Another non-debate.

Or "Debate Practice" as B-Man would say.

 

[tongzilla]

Here's the main issue

I believe Manzella's neutral grip to be truly neutral due to how the hands are put on the club. This was once a very popular grip as brian has shown in various pictures in this thread. However somewhere along the line this particular neutral grip became stronger, or more turned and now you see "neutral" grips advertised as "neutral" when they are in fact turned slightly on the grip. If you don't believe me, try and put your "Manzella Neutral" grip on a "training grip." You can't, it's been turned.

IMO here is what i believe:

"Manzella Neutral" = Real neutral
Hands turned left of "Manzella Neutral" = Real Weak
Current Neutral = slightly strong, hands are turned to the right slightly
Current Weak = "Manzella Neutral" or hands turned left of "Manzella Neutral"
Current Strong = very strong, hands turned significantly to the right

The problem with all this nonsense is that somewhere along the line, "neutral" became "slightly strong" (imo) but they continued to call it "neutral"

I think if you get the whole meaty part of your heel pad properly on top of the grip (so there's no chance of it slipping out during the swing), you will much more likely to end up with what you call a "Current Neutral".

 

[Zztop]

for burnitup. here's one, get a grip! put that in neutral and spin on it!

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I think if you get the whole meaty part of your heel pad properly on top of the grip (so there's no chance of it slipping out during the swing), you will much more likely to end up with what you call a "Current Neutral".

No you will end up more like Manzella Neutral, the more you grip it in the fingers (as it is always advised) is when you get more of the current neutral or even stronger

 

[mjstrong]

I think if you get the whole meaty part of your heel pad properly on top of the grip (so there's no chance of it slipping out during the swing), you will much more likely to end up with what you call a "Current Neutral".

This has always been my thought too.

 

[tongzilla]

No you will end up more like Manzella Neutral, the more you grip it in the fingers (as it is always advised) is when you get more of the current neutral or even stronger

I think you've misinterpreted me. More Accumulator #3 (i.e. more under the heel pad) tends to equal a stronger grip.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I think you've misinterpreted me. More Accumulator #3 (i.e. more under the heel pad) tends to equal a stronger grip.

no, i haven't misinterpreted i just don't agree. Most people that i have given lessons to come to me with a grip too strong and too much in the fingers. The minute i get their heel pad on top the grip "weakens" from what they currently have and their shots are much better in most cases

 

[Brian Manzella]

no, i haven't misinterpreted i just don't agree. Most people that i have given lessons to come to me with a grip too strong and too much in the fingers. The minute i get their heel pad on top the grip "weakens" from what they currently have and their shots are much better in most cases

Believe it or not folks, Jimmy is dead-on correct.

 

[tongzilla]

no, i haven't misinterpreted i just don't agree. Most people that i have given lessons to come to me with a grip too strong and too much in the fingers. The minute i get their heel pad on top the grip "weakens" from what they currently have and their shots are much better in most cases

you're comparing with someone who doesn't have their heel pad on top already. I comparing someone who already has their heel pad on top vs someone who gets it even more on top.

 

[mjstrong]

no, i haven't misinterpreted i just don't agree. Most people that i have given lessons to come to me with a grip too strong and too much in the fingers. The minute i get their heel pad on top the grip "weakens" from what they currently have and their shots are much better in most cases

It has been my experience that whether somebody is coming from too strong of a grip, or too weak of one, too much in the palms, or whatever...and you concentrate on getting that heel pad on top, you end up with a slightly stronger than Manzella Neutral grip. I'm not saying you can't do it, because obviously you can.

I'm just saying that the "default" grip position when concentrating on the heel pad on top results in a slightly stronger grip (most people's "neutral"?). I think this is what Leo meant too.

Mark