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Most common puttin problem in good players...
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benhogan55
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For me it is tempo..tend to qet quick through the ball which causes me to leave the putterface open.
Most Pro's can't line up because they don't understand that a clubface that is 90 degrees to the plane line/target line POINTS a couple of degrees left of the target. (unless they use a putter with 0 loft) So they have to manipulate the clubface during impact interval.
Scotty Cameron Putter Fitting data - 2 pros out of 100 actually aimed the CLUBFACE straight down the target line - (and Badds was one of them -wonder why he putts it so good) and these guys are the best in the world, so what are they - Experts in hand manipulation!
If you aim the clubface straight down the targetline then the face better be a couple of degrees open.
Scotty Cameron Putter Fitting data - 2 pros out of 100 actually aimed the CLUBFACE straight down the target line - (and Badds was one of them -wonder why he putts it so good) and these guys are the best in the world, so what are they - Experts in hand manipulation!
If you aim the clubface straight down the targetline then the face better be a couple of degrees open.
thefuture37
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explain this further
Hand manipulation...........what must be done? Block?
Do most putters have loft? If so, why if it causes one to aim left. You'd think putters with no loft would be more available if it squares you up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7G60OIDc1c&feature=related
i think is have to disagree with Twitch. if the club is set to its correct lie angle, and the face is set 90* to the target line, then the face will be facing the target. as soon as the face changes from its correct lie angle, it will start to look away from the target. toe down = to the right. toe up = to the left
even more so with shorter clubs
As said previously not having the putter face properly lined up. I had a go on the SAM Putt lab and my putter face was a consistant 1* closed. When I learned to aim the putter face dead square it looked open to me but I stuck with it. Most people also roll the putter face open to the plane on the back stroke also. To correct this get a PuttingArc.
I have asked Stevie "Four Barrels" to weigh in on this one - he is a master clubfitter and extremely knowledgable re: fitting and all things GOLF CLUB
For the record I'm sitting on my 19 the dealer has yet to show his hand but I know you've got 12 with the deck stacked with picture cards!! - BUST
I mean I back my answer
lookingtolearn
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I can see how this can theoretically be true, IF you are talking about lining up the TOP edge of the putter perpendicular to the target line.
For example, take an iron and instead of lining up the leading edge to the target line, line up the topline perpendicular to the target line. Where is the leading edge? Pointing left. The more loft the iron has, the more it points left.
But with a putter, there is so little loft, that it is hard to tell (at least I can't tell) a difference between where the leading edge is pointing and where the top of the putter is pointing.
For example, take an iron and instead of lining up the leading edge to the target line, line up the topline perpendicular to the target line. Where is the leading edge? Pointing left. The more loft the iron has, the more it points left.
But with a putter, there is so little loft, that it is hard to tell (at least I can't tell) a difference between where the leading edge is pointing and where the top of the putter is pointing.
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I'm talkin leading edge 90 degrees across the target line. or perpindicular if you like.
You really need a fine laser and have it attached very accurately to the sweet spot and have another laser pointing directly down the target line. I know it points left of the target line with every iron.
I'm talkin leading edge 90 degrees across the target line. or perpindicular if you like.
You really need a fine laser and have it attached very accurately to the sweet spot and have another laser pointing directly down the target line. I know it points left of the target line with every iron.
lookingtolearn
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Well, in that case, I'm going to have to agree with Pecky for now. If the clubface points down the target line and the laser off the sweetspot points left, then I believe the lie angle is wrong (too upright).
Also, if this isn't the case, then why wouldn't you just change the lie angle to have it line up correctly? For example, if the laser points left, just flatten the lie until it points straight.
Also, if this isn't the case, then why wouldn't you just change the lie angle to have it line up correctly? For example, if the laser points left, just flatten the lie until it points straight.
Jim Kobylinski
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What a lot of people are missing with this whole thing is that if you have been putting WELL for a long time with an ill fitted putter, are you going to putt better with one properly aligned and adjusted for lie?
You would have to essentially unbuild all the compensations you've built into your stroke.
You would have to essentially unbuild all the compensations you've built into your stroke.
Damon Lucas
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Depends on what is defined as WELL, and how much better you want to get.
thefuture37
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nitpicking putting this much isn't helpful. All this assumes that the player picks a perfect line and speed. If you don't have those it doesnt matter if your aim is off fractionally.
If the line is straight, the putt somewhat short, and the putter is lined up perpendicular, BUT it's really slightly closed based upon the loft factor, how can this be nitpicking. Sorry, but I view it as significant.
Well said. All of the greatest putters were EXCELLENT green readers. I think green-reading may be the most over-looked aspect of good putting.
Steve Khatib
Super Moderator
Great point Twitchy. Marcus is correct! However is address position the same as impact position? Very few players are the same so they need to manipulate putter fitting is ajoke really unless you deal with a decent technique, although you can help hackers a little with weight and length etc.
Dariusz J.
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It is not the matter of loft. In case of irons, it happens because the height of the iron head is not constant - it's the largest near the toe and the smallest near the hosel. This difference is simply more visible when the loft is bigger.
Putterheads have constant height from toe to heel, thus, no matter what the loft is the leading edge will be pointing exactly where the top edge is pointing.
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