my swing - lag - flail - bent wrist ?

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RicoSuave05

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dear community,
new with TGM (and hard working on understanding and executing it), i hope you can bring some light into my swing (or hit) darkness.

Referring to my swing
http://free.pages.at/edelstall/tgm/Rico05.mov
(it shows just a swing at home with my old driver, the swing speed was 110mph on my Bridgestone-Swingspeed-Meter, without a ball)
i have some questions:
Beside overswing and standing up during the takeaway, i think the lagging of the club is o.k., but:

1.)The flail in the impact zone (looks like Standard Flail in 2-K#1-3)is bad. What should i work on to get a golfers flail (2K#4-5)?

2.) Do i hit or swing ?

thanks a lot in advance for your support,
(sorry about my rusty-school-english)
Rico
 
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I would say you swing do the way your left hand faces the plane early on.

There's some nice lag on the way down, but there's certainly throwaway after your reach impact. Do you have Brian's Confessions of a Former Flipper Video? Throwaway is covered there in great detail.
 
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RicoSuave05

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Thanks for Your reply Erik !

quote:I would say you swing do the way your left hand faces the plane early on.
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with early on you mean the takeaway or start of the downswing ?
It seems, that there is no rotation of the forearms, isn´t it ?

quote:Do you have Brian's Confessions of a Former Flipper Video
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Yes i do have, and love it, have to work more on it, but which particular section is the most important to work on for me ? Especially this late throaway is not covered, so i think there is some plane or body faults, which makes this simply happen, without real throwaway (casting) action ?

Thanks again Erik,
Rico
 
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During the takeaway, your left palm faces the plane. That's usually a tell-tale sign of swinging. A hitter's club face looks at the ball longer on the way back. I am sure there are other things hitters and swingers do at various points of the swing, but I don't know them off the top of my head (someone like Tongzilla can rattle them off for you).

Others will chime in on drills or swing thoughts, I will give you a few that might help:

Clearly you're unloading before you hit the ball-the wrists are collapsing too early-classic clubhead throwaway.

1.) Stop 'hunting' the ball and swing to the TARGET. Your INTENTION is to get the ball to the TARGET. Swing through the ball. Imagine that the ball is taped to the club face. Right now, your hand action is merely slapping at the ball. If the ball were taped to the face, how would you fling it to the target? Brian talks about a beebee being inside the shaft. Your objective is FLING that beebee to the target.

2.) Jim_0068 gave me a useful drill. Place two balls on the ground. One where it would be normally, just left of center-say. Place another ball, two inches to the right (looking down the line) and two inches in front of that ball. This will help with the aiming point. Get your hands to line up with ball that is place a bit more forward than the one which you are going to strike.

3.) Ben Doyle would bring you over to the bunker. Draw a line in the sand-say 4-5ft long (inch wide perhaps). Take a wedge with you, or a 9 iron. Make 3/4 swings, at a moderate pace. Strike the sand AT THAT LINE. Not before. The way your wrists are collapsing, you would likely hit fat. Do this over and over until you can strike line consistently with no fat shots. Then you can swing faster and faster and work up to the longer irons. This is, again, akin to another drill Brian goes over in the Flipper video where he takes a divot and then proceeds to try and take more divots, each one 'ahead' of the next one until the divots are too far in front of the hands.

4.) With your hands you think that you are dragging the knuckles of your left hand through the turf, or that your right palm is going to brush the grass. Lookat your right hand of your video when if gets over your right thigh. Is that right palm going to brush the grass?

We don't have a down the line view of your swing. Perhaps your path is overly steep which causes you to flip at it. 85% of golfers have that problem.
 
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EdZ

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Too much 'wobble' and very quick tempo (which actually isn't so bad, the ratio looks solid)

smooooooooth out your movements by swinging a heavy club (or two, or even three clubs held together)

eyes closed, feet together drills should help you get more stable with the lower body - perhaps even some drills swinging on your knees, which will really let you feel the stability and stop the over acceleration.

Full motion, half speed, half distance shots at the range
 
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RicoSuave05

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Erik & Tongzilla:
quote:Clearly you're unloading before you hit the ball-the wrists are collapsing too early-classic clubhead throwaway.
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This was important for me to know if this is real flipping,... o.k. lets go and start golfing from the beginning :)
Thank you Erik for the long time you are taking for me and your drills !!! I´ll try to take a video in the sim-hall also from behind(as tongzilla is mentioning to really hit balls).

EdZ:
quote:..quick tempo ... eyes closed...Full motion, half speed, half distance shots
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These drills, my pro also tries to implement, but in long term, i think i have simply the wrong swing thoughts, so to brake this chain-reaction i try to "understand" the physics of TGM to switch automatically to a smooth swing. Thanks Edz & Tongzilla

lg Rico
 
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EdZ

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Stance with the 7 iron is WAY too wide. This limits your ability to pivot, and leads to the head lifting/bobbing.

Take a t-shirt or a towel, or better, a rope and swing it back and through, back and through. You will notice this forces you to 'wait' a bit more for the change of direction, and should help smoooooth you out. Feet together drills, or at least feet no wider than your shoulders (outsides of feet inside the shoulder line). You'll fall off balance right away - which should tell you something ;)
 
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RicoSuave05

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@ Erik: is your explorer crashing during opening (this is also a quicktime plugin problem with some of my computers), or are the links broken (should work). If its still not working i will put it on another server for you (this evening --- europe ;)

@ EdZ: great post, great help for me.... because i ever thought there must be a logical reason for lifting,.... its the restricted pivot motion, thanks !!!
- isnt my weightshift and right foot-lifting much to early befor impact (driver behind video)?

big THX Rico
 
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quote:Originally posted by Erik_K

THe links don't open for me.
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The links open, but I get an error message which says that a piece of software is missing and it isn't available on the QT server.
 
Erik_K

Erik_K

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quote:Originally posted by RicoSuave05

o.k., put it on a differnt server, hope it works,
sorry for the inconvenience and thanks for your patience!

iron 7 front: http://free.pages.at/edelstall/tgm/i7front.mov
iron 7 behind: http://free.pages.at/edelstall/tgm/i7back.mov
driver front http://free.pages.at/edelstall/tgm/dfront.mov
driver behind http://free.pages.at/edelstall/tgm/dback.mov

lg Rico
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The driver vids don't work for me still, but the 7 iron shots do.

Anyway, those swings are MUCH better than the previous ones without a ball. From what I see your right wrist is bent at impact (like it should be) and the left looks OK. If there's throwaway, you don't have a whole lot of it. The tempo looks smooth as well.

If I have time I can try and post some shots with the plane lines and others (likne Brian, Tom, Tongzilla, MizunoJoe) who are more qualified than me can give some additional feedback.
 
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RicoSuave05

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ok, I re-encoded the files,... now they should work ;)

@Erik: Thank you so much for giving me hope !!! That gives me the force to go on with working with tgm, thanks :)
 
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MizunoJoe

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quote:Originally posted by RicoSuave05

ok, I re-encoded the files,... now they should work ;)

@Erik: Thank you so much for giving me hope !!! That gives me the force to go on with working with tgm, thanks :)
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That did it - thanks.
 
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