backswing more upright now but longer, just having real trouble with coming over the top. help is appreciated. thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RS5JKV6EO0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RS5JKV6EO0
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Kevin Shields
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Medi, it's really time to purchase Never Slice Again. I think the concepts would really help you.
How strong is your grip?
From what I could see, it doesn't look so much like you are making an OTT move, as that you are simply taking the club back above-plane. It looks to me like you start back too much outside and then you just repeat that on the way down.
I'd like to see a swing from you with a neutral group (assuming you don't have one now - this is a bit of a guess) with a bit of a lagging clubhead takeaway. I think if you took it back on plane you would have to worry about OTT.
From what I could see, it doesn't look so much like you are making an OTT move, as that you are simply taking the club back above-plane. It looks to me like you start back too much outside and then you just repeat that on the way down.
I'd like to see a swing from you with a neutral group (assuming you don't have one now - this is a bit of a guess) with a bit of a lagging clubhead takeaway. I think if you took it back on plane you would have to worry about OTT.
Michael Finney
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well...
from what i see, your grip is strong (your left wrist is basically flat at the top and your clubface's leading edge is almost pointing skyward)....you sense that the ball would go left because of this strong grip....and then you spend the entire downswing "undercutting" the ball to avoid the pull.....
this "undercut" or "non-rolling" of the left forearm and wrist produces your open clubface...which produces your sensation of (and real) "over the top-ness"
which allows you to lose compression, impart side spin, and cut it....
brian has said for a long time that the best way to fix a slice is with a standard, manzella neutral grip or weaker than standard....you are forced to learn how to roll your lead arm....
from what i see, your grip is strong (your left wrist is basically flat at the top and your clubface's leading edge is almost pointing skyward)....you sense that the ball would go left because of this strong grip....and then you spend the entire downswing "undercutting" the ball to avoid the pull.....
this "undercut" or "non-rolling" of the left forearm and wrist produces your open clubface...which produces your sensation of (and real) "over the top-ness"
which allows you to lose compression, impart side spin, and cut it....
brian has said for a long time that the best way to fix a slice is with a standard, manzella neutral grip or weaker than standard....you are forced to learn how to roll your lead arm....
I think Mike nailed it. Fix your grip (more neutral) and try to "hold the twist" longer with slow and short swings to start. See what that does. Don't try and hit it full right away. Pretend Brian or Mike were there. Think if they'd let you hit full shots right away with a new grip and some twistaway (i.e. two things that would probably feel TOTALLY foreign to you at this point). Probably not. Slow and short swings with it at first, then see how it affects your full swing.
Let us know how it works (or doesn't)!
tongzilla
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How can some people draw/hook the ball without rolling their arms too much...like hitting a punch fade at follow through position with the clubface in an angled-hinge location? Is it possible to teach slicers this method of drawing the ball?
birdie_man
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Just swing right enough I think Leo..........for me, even if I try my best to "hold it off" that sucker is going left if I've swung right enough.
(gotta depend on your clubface control the rest of the swing too tho)
(gotta depend on your clubface control the rest of the swing too tho)
tongzilla
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you can swing as right as you want, but if that clubface is open to where your clubhead is going...fore right!
birdie_man
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True Leo. I guess for me.......the deal basically is........that I find that hard to do when swinging a lot to the right.
Nice sig. BTW.
Nice sig. BTW.
JThompson
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more help from someone who has been there. . .
Here is what I did to solve a similar situation.
First, take a weaker then nuetral grip (hold a club horizontally with the face pointed slighty at your feet, place your left hand finger pads on the club so that your arm is extended and your wrist is flat, you should be able to lay a board on your arm without seeing a gap)
Now that your grip is set. Take a short back swing twisting away your left wrist, make it feel as if your going to lay that wrist on a movie screen behind you.
Swing forward hitting down through the ball and follow through so you can lay your right wrist on a movie screen in front of you.
Repeat until you can do that and hit it straight.
All of this comes from Brian (NSA 2.0) and other things he has said on this forum.
If anyone else has other corrections or comments let me know.
Here is what I did to solve a similar situation.
First, take a weaker then nuetral grip (hold a club horizontally with the face pointed slighty at your feet, place your left hand finger pads on the club so that your arm is extended and your wrist is flat, you should be able to lay a board on your arm without seeing a gap)
Now that your grip is set. Take a short back swing twisting away your left wrist, make it feel as if your going to lay that wrist on a movie screen behind you.
Swing forward hitting down through the ball and follow through so you can lay your right wrist on a movie screen in front of you.
Repeat until you can do that and hit it straight.
All of this comes from Brian (NSA 2.0) and other things he has said on this forum.
If anyone else has other corrections or comments let me know.
self-mastery
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I'm sure your one tip away from salvation! Your best advice was given on page one. Best of luck.
Here's a question: Do slicers necessary need to learn to "put it on the movie screen" in order to unlearn their slice mechanics? It seems that twistaway is enough for some golfers to reach impact with a less open clubface.
My opinion- golf is easier when you learn how to use your right arm. I taught my 9 yr old niece how to spank it with a draw in a few weeks. She out drove everyone, boys included, at her golf camp.
Here's a question: Do slicers necessary need to learn to "put it on the movie screen" in order to unlearn their slice mechanics? It seems that twistaway is enough for some golfers to reach impact with a less open clubface.
My opinion- golf is easier when you learn how to use your right arm. I taught my 9 yr old niece how to spank it with a draw in a few weeks. She out drove everyone, boys included, at her golf camp.
my clubface isnt open,. i just cant get any axis tilt on the way down. just keep re routing it over the top, when i try and get my left shoulder up and my right one down it just jumps outwards, it doesnt help either that im spinning out. any tips on how to get more lateral slide?
thanks
thanks
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