My trip to Doral

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Brian Manzella

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This past Monday, I spoke at the Teachers Meeting at the Jim McLean Golf School at Doral.

I talked about the D-Plane and TrackMan, and a whole bunch of other things. and then Jim wanted me to teach for them.

I picked a young teacher out of the group, and he made a good pass at it, but had a too downward angles of attack, and a closed face. His path was zero, and his only less than orthodox element was a slight hold-on finish.

15 minutes later, he was all zeros and the angle of attack was normal.

The group clapped, and I said "Thanks, but don't clap. That's like clapping for a sheetrocker hiding a seam." :D

It was a lot of fun.

Dr. Rob Neal was there and I got to help a student of his and Tom Shaw, the old former PGA Tour player I had watched a lot as a kid at old Lakewood in New Orleans.

Jim runs a tight ship, and has some kind of excellent staff.

They were very kind hosts, and it was a win-win all the way around.

Jim really liked my live teaching, and of course to hear it from a guy who is has the #1 money making school in the biz, and is well respected, is a feather in my cap.

Next up, I am speaking a the TrackMan users conference in Port St. Lucie!

Florida, Florida....
 
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BManz,
I am glad you enjoyed the experiance. I wish i could have been a fly on the wall to watch.
Maybe next time.
look forward to seeing you in March.
 
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Kevin Shields

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I wish I couldve been there as well as the users conference. Good luck.

What were the adjustments to the student at Doral?
 
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Brian Manzella said:
This past Monday, I spoke at the Teachers Meeting at the Jim McLean Golf School at Doral.

I talked about the D-Plane and TrackMan, and a whole bunch of other things. and then Jim wanted me to teach for them.

I picked a young teacher out of the group, and he made a good pass at it, but had a too downward angles of attack, and a closed face. His path was zero, and his only less than orthodox element was a slight hold-on finish.

15 minutes later, he was all zeros and the angle of attack was normal.

The group clapped, and I said "Thanks, but don't clap. That's like clapping for a sheetrocker hiding a seam." :D

It was a lot of fun.

Dr. Rob Neal was there and I got to help a student of his and Tom Shaw, the old former PGA Tour player I had watched a lot as a kid at old Lakewood in New Orleans.

Jim runs a tight ship, and has some kind of excellent staff.

They were very kind hosts, and it was a win-win all the way around.

Jim really liked my live teaching, and of course to hear it from a guy who is has the #1 money making school in the biz, and is well respected, is a feather in my cap.

Next up, I am speaking a the TrackMan users conference in Port St. Lucie!

Florida, Florida....
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Good stuff bud, it sounds like things are moving quickly.
 
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ekennedy

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One of my fantastic interns from Mississippi State called me yesterday and said that the PGM program just got Trackman installed and that it was very exciting.

He then asked me how the heck to use it and what should he be looking for in regards to the readings.

I sure hope that someone from Trackman spends some time with those kids or it would be a gigantic waste.
 
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Brian, to have a perennial top 100 guy invite you to his turf to help round out his guys is awesome for you and speaks volumes about McLean. That is an awesome feather for you cap.
 
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wulsy

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As Brian said earlier, he wants to be recognised as one of the best golf coaches in the world. This is recognition from his peers. Certainly a big part of "recognition".

But it thows up an interesting question: who exactly has to recognise you for you to be "recognised"?

There are some real donkeys out there who are recognised as experts in their field, but they are actually pretty clueless. So clearly recognition is not based on knowledge. So how does the process of recognition actually work?
 
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47range

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Jim McLean Ball Flight Presentation

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoPyadnDm_E[/media]

A little quick thing by Jim on Ball Flight
 
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wulsy

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Anyone care to summarise Jim McLean's teaching approach/philosophy?

What is the secret of his obvious success in business? He cleverly avoided the use of the term "D-plane" thus he avoided being seen as a plagiariser. He says he's been teaching this hypothesis since the 70's thus seeming to have been aware of the D-plane hypothesis for decades. This is either true or clever, or both.
 
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47range said:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoPyadnDm_E[/media]

A little quick thing by Jim on Ball Flight
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thanks for posting this up. Very interesting. I wonder how many teachers will come out and declare they knew this all along. I don't mean that necessarily in a bad way either, there may be many very good teachers who kept this to themselves so not to upset the apple cart.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Swinging Left to hit it Straight

David Toms could not hit his hat if he came into the ball on the elbow plane, forearm on it.

I found that out in the late 80's.

He would just simply hit TOO MUCH of the "inside of the ball" and the ball didn't go straight anymore nor was hit anywhere near as solid.

He needed to be well above that plane to swing "left enough."

The Never Hook Again pattern was my personal discovery based on a shot I could hit that didn't hook. Very quickly, that pattern became a way for me to explain Couples' swing, and David's swing to myself.

That was early 1994.

By 1995 I was teaching on the GolfTek machine that did a very good job of measuring path in 2D. You HAD TO SWING way left of DOWN PLANE to hit a straight ball.

It reminded me that a practice session I have still not forgotten from 1977 was simply swinging left.

That was the straightest I ever hit it until GolfTek.

When I got the chance to teach NHA "back to" DT in 1997, it helped him almost instantly.

Everyone of these mini-stories was me seeing HOW FAR LEFT you had to swing to hit it straight.

Surely, I wasn't the only one who could plainly see this.

Pre D-Plane on this site and others, I was MOCKED for teaching "avoidance" with all my "swinging left" suggestions.

Jim McLean has two eyes as well, and as a good player and a teacher who had access to watching dozens of straight ball hitters, he obviously could see it as well.

No, I, nor Jim, nor anyone else, except for Jorgensen, had the "resultant path" figured out ANYWHERE NEAR what we know now. Nor did anyone see the D-Plane in all its glory.

But from Jim, to O'grady, to Me, and to NUMEROUS other players and teachers, if you didn't "SWING LEFT" you didn't hit it straight.
 
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'' Swinging Left to hit it Straight ''

Brian,

I remember, quite some time back, to have seen a video with Mark Evershed giving a seminar to a corporate group.

Swinging left to hit it straight was very much an essential key point in his presentation.
 
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wulsy

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Brian Manzella said:
He would just simply hit TOO MUCH of the "inside of the ball" and the ball didn't go straight anymore nor was hit anywhere near as solid.

He needed to be well above that plane to swing "left enough."

The Never Hook Again pattern was my personal discovery based on a shot I could hit that didn't hook. Very quickly, that pattern became a way for me to explain Couples' swing, and David's swing to myself.
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Mmm, maybe you've given me the answer I was looking for.

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